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61. Did you read the article or other comments?

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 10:06 PM

Oct 2014

The soldier didn't complain or demand special privileges. He made a request to hang-up a jacket, as might anyone, and it was denied. He didn't complain.

The people who were most annoyed and made the issue public were the other passengers, including those in first-class who were readily willing to volunteer to assist the service member. The fact that the attendant still would not abide the request is the crux of the story.

The little amenities offered to service members also began to proliferate well before 9/11, and many see it as a response to often less than polite behavior toward them during the Vietnam period. The fact that service members were more widely utilized, seen and discussed simply made these polite gestures more visible and accepted, and all still completely voluntary.

You are free to view such minimal courtesy and respect as "cult" behavior. The Democratic Party, and virtually all of America, would strongly disagree.

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US airways gets bad press -attendant wouldn't hang vet's decorated jacket in 1st class closet [View all] Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 OP

This is stupid. It's just a jacket. morningfog Oct 2014 #1

he was going to job interview, i think Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #2

His bona fides are under question right now-one commenter suggests a "stolen valor" issue. MADem Oct 2014 #90

I hope someone definitely determines if he's a fraud. branford Oct 2014 #94

I'm going to stand with the underpaid, overworked, FAA minimum-staffed flight attendants. MADem Oct 2014 #97

Asking to hang a jacket is a common and extremely minor request. branford Oct 2014 #101

Not when the request is x120 coach passengers and there's only room in the "closet" for a few MADem Oct 2014 #134

uh oh Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #153

Maybe he was being modest about his accomplishments and didn't want to CTyankee Oct 2014 #3

Yes it's just a jacket Kalidurga Oct 2014 #4

An E-8 might worry about such things as a wrinkle HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #6

You miss the point entirely AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #8

No, and you miss the point Aerows Oct 2014 #21

Military dress uniforms are to be as neat as possible. I know, I watched my husband TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #25

Disgusting! So glad I have US Airlines tickets in November yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #31

Lol. Sure. morningfog Oct 2014 #47

Bull! yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #56

Having to hold one's jacket is not a tragedy. For anyone. Ever. morningfog Oct 2014 #70

Please tell them why 840high Oct 2014 #59

I will for sure! Thank you for the reminder. yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #60

You're going to cancel because of one flight attendant? CreekDog Oct 2014 #127

You're physically ill over one flight attendant? CreekDog Oct 2014 #132

A lot of different scenarios offend different times yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #142

Not hanging a coat vs. an unarmed teen getting killed? CreekDog Oct 2014 #145

I don't care yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #146

Results of your jury service ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #150

Do you know for a fact that any of this actually happened? yardwork Oct 2014 #136

I'm with you. And I'm repulsed by come of the insensitive replies. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #148

Wow, how insensitive. How ingrateful. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #147

His poor poor jacket. morningfog Oct 2014 #149

Remarkable mystification of the class dimension alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #5

Maybe I skimmed badly, but it was the beef of another passenger right? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #10

My post had nothing to do with who made the complaint alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #11

ding ding ding Jesus Malverde Oct 2014 #15

Sensitive, isn't he? blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #7

he didnt make the fuss. the other paasengers did Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #9

No. Aerows Oct 2014 #22

Shit like this helps fill the endless cable news hours so actual important shit can be left aside. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #12

+1 CJCRANE Oct 2014 #99

I'll bet Fauxsnooze is right on it, and has already found a way to blame Obama, to boot. nt MADem Oct 2014 #135

forgot than in our country drray23 Oct 2014 #13

Thank goodness the super majority would yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #33

Thankfully almost no Democratic candidates espouse your views branford Oct 2014 #36

Nicely put. Props. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #41

"In many places in Europe or elsewhere, their service members fear to wear their uniforms Jake Stern Oct 2014 #78

I was actually referencing far more recent stories that I recalled reading about British soldiers. branford Oct 2014 #79

Yeah so by all means... Takket Oct 2014 #39

Exactly..Thank you. n/t whathehell Oct 2014 #103

If someone in first class was willing to switch... Oktober Oct 2014 #46

absolutely none drray23 Oct 2014 #52

There's a big difference between the civilian leadership and the actual men and women who serve. branford Oct 2014 #55

Thank you. SheilaT Oct 2014 #53

Did you read the article or other comments? branford Oct 2014 #61

I'm sorry. I don't get why anyone in uniform is SheilaT Oct 2014 #69

And you are under no legal obligation to treat service members any differently. branford Oct 2014 #73

Okay, so he asked if he could hang up his coat. SheilaT Oct 2014 #76

As many have stated, the soldier didn't make a scene or release the pictures, branford Oct 2014 #77

Remind us again why we should care about you. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #109

READ Takket Oct 2014 #124

So don't... Oktober Oct 2014 #168

There are many more UglyGreed Oct 2014 #159

Did he pay for 1st class? No? Than why bitch and moan. TransitJohn Oct 2014 #14

Yeah. Dude wasn't even an officer. FreeJoe Oct 2014 #16

whats that supposed to mean ? drray23 Oct 2014 #18

Terrible, right? The problem is that curtain is no security. egduj Oct 2014 #17

LOL. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #62

No one is claiming the airline was required to assist the service member. branford Oct 2014 #37

The airlines will frequently bump up service folks into first class anyway. cwydro Oct 2014 #19

Wow. Things sure must have changed since the 80's-90's. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #42

I think a lot depends on if seats are available, and post 9/11 people began to notice even more. nt branford Oct 2014 #80

That happened to me often enough, and I never asked for it. MADem Oct 2014 #44

I am dismayed by the lack of comprehension of many of the posters TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #20

Exactly. Aerows Oct 2014 #23

Plus it's just general bullshit. tammywammy Oct 2014 #29

Some flight attendants take on the role of the local in-flight gestapo IMO. Not all, RKP5637 Oct 2014 #106

Do we know that any of that actually happened? Have the tweeters identified themselves? yardwork Oct 2014 #131

Obviously this Flight Attendent is in the wrong business yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #143

...and my post went right over your head. yardwork Oct 2014 #151

So what. My reply was a personal observation with facts yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #152

Even if he wasn't in the military, and just had a nice suit to hang up, they should have TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #24

Maybe the flight attendant needed her/his job & couldn't afford to be so breezy. Demit Oct 2014 #28

Small favors make good customer service and avoids bad PR. Especially in the age TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #30

This... Oktober Oct 2014 #48

The only people who were complaining were first-class passengers who wanted to help the soldier. nt branford Oct 2014 #38

Much ado about nothing... Sancho Oct 2014 #26

+1 Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #35

All things miliatary are becoming a secular fetish. rug Oct 2014 #27

Agreed DavidDvorkin Oct 2014 #32

/\ This. deathrind Oct 2014 #57

Indeed. And the more we elevate these useful idiots that deserve special treatment for Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #63

Should we treat them differently now that they are fighting in "Obama's Wars," branford Oct 2014 #81

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #82

All service members are "useful idiots" is most certainly not the position of the Democratic Party, branford Oct 2014 #83

This man is not entitled to first class treatment if he did not pay for first class treatment. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #85

And no one, including the soldier, has stated that he was "entitled" to first class treatment. branford Oct 2014 #86

I am a Navy mom jen63 Oct 2014 #121

Her comments are not the majority view here on DU. Welcome. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #123

Thank you! jen63 Oct 2014 #128

Just peruse the thread, and rest assured that most people respect service members. branford Oct 2014 #133

Your comments in this thread jen63 Oct 2014 #139

I dated a few mids, and was a beard for a few more back in msanthrope Oct 2014 #141

people are trying to feel patriotically good about themselves m-lekktor Oct 2014 #114

people are trying to feel patriotically good about themselves m-lekktor Oct 2014 #115

they SHOULD have hung it up but the passenger is kind of an asshole for making an issue JI7 Oct 2014 #34

Why? The publicity will help ensure that it will not happen again. nt branford Oct 2014 #40

Whi cares if it happens again. This is not a story. morningfog Oct 2014 #49

I care, and apparently so do many others who did not like that it happened at all. nt branford Oct 2014 #51

I flew coach a lot in uniform. I never thought to ask anyone to hang up my coat for me. MADem Oct 2014 #43

Exactly. morningfog Oct 2014 #50

I think you're missing the point. branford Oct 2014 #54

I never asked for my jacket to be hung up in coach. Why? It's COACH. MADem Oct 2014 #66

I'm sorry that you are all too willing to accept inferior service. branford Oct 2014 #74

Inferior service? If I expect First Class treatment, I'll pay First Class prices. MADem Oct 2014 #87

He didn't demand, he simply made a request, as would I if there was space in the closet. branford Oct 2014 #89

He likely accepted the "no" because he's fronting in some fashion. MADem Oct 2014 #91

If he impersonated a serviceman, that changes the story, but none of my points. branford Oct 2014 #92

I directed you to post 90 upthread in my previous post, where I cut/pasted the material you seek. MADem Oct 2014 #95

My mistake about the link, I edited the post. branford Oct 2014 #98

So, she's in trouble for doing her job and following policy. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #45

Best way to deal with this? Put the suit etc in a hanging bag and roll it/shove it in the overhead. MADem Oct 2014 #67

Or, actively LOOK to cause a scene. That's a possibility too. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #68

Backwards B girl!!!! MADem Oct 2014 #72

I don't think the flight Attendent should be fired yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #144

She doesn't need punishment of any sort. She did her job. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #154

Oh she is. Much needed respect for the military yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #156

Refusing to violate company policy just to hang a jacket is a crisis? DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #157

United Airlines was NOT pleased branford Oct 2014 #160

Failure to read the post: Check. Accuse another of your own doing: Check. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #162

Failure to read my second paragraph and miss the point of the entire discussion. nt branford Oct 2014 #163

Cite the law she violated. Cite the policy she violated. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #167

Uhh...Bizpac review is a right wing site. alp227 Oct 2014 #58

Totally he deserves special treatment for fighting in Bush's illegal wars. Totally special. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #64

Well, apparently they're now Obama's wars...Does that help? whathehell Oct 2014 #105

The military forgot to train the man how to take care of his own clothes. Sunlei Oct 2014 #65

Not a fan of airlines. Even less a fan of the military demanding special privileges. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #71

Well, lucky for you that the soldier did not demand special privileges. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #75

being a f/a is got to be a terrible job. shallwechat Oct 2014 #84

Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way. branford Oct 2014 #88

You are taking the tweets of the passengers, as reported by a right-wing site, as fact. Slow down. yardwork Oct 2014 #129

The story has appeared in multiple sources and the service member is legit. branford Oct 2014 #137

I read post #104 and it links to somebody else's blog. yardwork Oct 2014 #138

Even I would agree that this particular incident was blown way out of proportion. branford Oct 2014 #140

I almost always fly coach and I travel often. meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #93

Me, too, that's why I find the reactions so odd. branford Oct 2014 #96

Yes, but... meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #100

Very true, and I made that exact point in an earlier post. branford Oct 2014 #102

Then there's this. meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #104

Good news. branford Oct 2014 #107

Whenever one of my friends was home on leave... meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #108

Well considering we are only to fly in uniform... giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #110

I believe that my son wore his class A uniform TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #111

If he wasn't on official orders he was wrong. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #113

He was travelling for an interview with the brass for a new job in the AF TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #116

That's the Air Force, they aren't the Army. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #120

The regs I posted are Army TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #125

The reg you posted said they are authorized to wear civilian clothes SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #164

Thank you. TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #169

Same here SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #170

The answer is that it comes and goes... Oktober Oct 2014 #171

Are you sure? meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #112

As previously stated was she on official orders? giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #119

She was coming home... from... I don't know. n/t meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #122

Is his hand in his pocket? wercal Oct 2014 #117

This whole story is odd. /nt yardwork Oct 2014 #130

Oh noes! 99Forever Oct 2014 #118

I always thought.... Takket Oct 2014 #126

"uniformed" opinion . . . . very good DrDan Oct 2014 #172

USAir probably has a policy of immediate dismissal for any and all kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #155

This thread wins the award for crazy, jump to conclusions, I'm so outraged thread of the week Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #158

The incident itself was ridiculous and blown out of proportion. branford Oct 2014 #161

His fucking jacket was hung up Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #165

Except the jacket was not the only issue, and a lot happened before it was hung-up. nt branford Oct 2014 #166

US Airways officially apologizes branford Oct 2014 #173