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djean111

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23. Seems to me that wanting/requiring universal Democratic support for Hillary is - a unicorn.

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 10:17 PM

Oct 2014

It is a pony.
It is a narrow-minded quest for perfection.

It is a little creepy, too, that some expect Warren admirers to wheel in lockstep to support Hillary, as if we were delegates at a convention. In fact, I really do get the feeling that the upcoming Democratic Convention is desired to be, by some, as just a Hillary coronation, no primaries were needed, just lots of speeches by the Big Dog, etc.

I think that most Warren supporters would be happy with anyone LIKE Warren. Just don't want a corporate Third Way candidate.
Wanting everyone to support Hillary is, I repeat, a pony.
And she has been around long enough so that attempts to re-frame her are kinda futile. I feel that she would actually inspire more GOPers to come out and vote against her.

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Hillary Clinton and the Progressive Pursuit of Perfection [View all] baldguy Oct 2014 OP

Is the Clinton/Obama TPP good fo America? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #1

Assures America's stranglehold on the rest of the world. joshcryer Oct 2014 #5

are you serious? DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #62

Of course they would disagree. joshcryer Oct 2014 #121

hahahahahaha DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #128

No. joshcryer Oct 2014 #137

define the west DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #138

Why don't you tell us all about it? You INSINUATE plenty, but until you've seen the agreements MADem Oct 2014 #40

I actually think the people who claim to want Warren as Prez... Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #2

+1000 baldguy Oct 2014 #3

Republicans of course. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #33

sow discord DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #129

Now you're just projecting. baldguy Oct 2014 #131

The TPP is hateful to the base DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #135

Paid disruptors? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #12

I guess they are stalkerish according to the #1 Hillary fan davidpdx Oct 2014 #25

....or they want her to run and LOSE. MADem Oct 2014 #14

i actually like WArren more than Clinton but anyone who has actually supported JI7 Oct 2014 #32

I think she's great and I like her as my Senator. That's the ironic bit! MADem Oct 2014 #34

i agree, even if Clinton wasn't going to run i don't think Warren would get in the race JI7 Oct 2014 #37

There's so much truth in your post I just want to cover it in praise! MADem Oct 2014 #41

Me either!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #59

I can't speak for all of those who like Warren, but I believe they see her and those senators allied davidpdx Oct 2014 #26

i agree, that's why she doesn't have much support on the ground as there was for Obama early on JI7 Oct 2014 #30

++++1000 THIS ^^^^ VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #60

no DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #64

that is fucking baloney! How can you say that and still call yourself a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #68

lol. there are sure are. there are a number of coservadems pretending to be liberals. cali Oct 2014 #85

Actually there are ALOT more Independents....trying to tell Democrats what to do! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #88

Wrong again. winter is coming Oct 2014 #87

She damn near the same as Hillary! The WRONG would be YOU! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #89

I've told you before why this chart is bullshit. winter is coming Oct 2014 #91

and I have told YOU to prove it with a better graph....Until YOU do ....... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #93

I've explained to you, in detail, why that chart is crap. winter is coming Oct 2014 #96

I don't care what YOU think.....back up your bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #98

As far as I'm concerned.... Stellar Oct 2014 #97

If she won the Primary so would I .....but she isn't running. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #99

Fucking nailed it... SidDithers Oct 2014 #103

EXACTLY! they're paid disrupters - perhaps even working for ISIS Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #106

That's the only possible explanation AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #111

Warren would never make up a SniperGate story like Hillary did. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #4

You apparently didn't follow her Senate race. MADem Oct 2014 #15

I can't compare 'Minnie Haha' with Snipergate. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #16

Maybe you can't, but the RNC and all their minions can--and do. Often. Constantly. It is a MADem Oct 2014 #17

So, the republicans do all sorts of stupid things. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #18

If you aren't going to bother to even read what I write, I'm not going to bother engaging you. MADem Oct 2014 #19

Good. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #20

All Day All Night Criticism NO! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #65

and Hillary declared running for what exactly? Is it possible to 'elect' someone LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #77

Uh are you in denial that she holds the Pole Position? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #81

Yes, she hold the Poles and moves them whenever she sees fit. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #82

you don't even know what the fuck "pole position" means obviously... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #83

''you don't even know what the fuck "pole position" means obviously...'' LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #117

Repeating the Republican lies. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #29

Way to ignore the context of the conversation. MADem Oct 2014 #36

RW talking points all to defend Hillary Clinton's obvious and proven lie LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #78

"She has none." is an unproven claim. The truth is that her heritage wasn't documented. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #31

It's not a case of "will look foolish"--they've already done it and they continue to do it. MADem Oct 2014 #39

I have 2 grandparents that were known to be half Cherokee.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #66

This has been unpacked, aired, resolved, repacked and put away by the left. MADem Oct 2014 #125

MADem, do you know what that was all about? Number23 Oct 2014 #120

She believed what her parents told her, I'm sure. I don't think she had a deceitful bone in her MADem Oct 2014 #124

Awesome post, as usual Number23 Oct 2014 #126

Anytime! MADem Oct 2014 #127

I'm not a Warren acolyte, but what you are saying about her lack of Indian heritage is unfair. pnwmom Oct 2014 #134

Hillary is too hawkish. See IWR vote and support for Bush's wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #6

I don't need perfection. I'd settle for adequacy Scootaloo Oct 2014 #7

You may get your wish with sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #8

It's not about perfection PAProgressive28 Oct 2014 #9

BULLHOCKEY! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #63

Are you claiming that red dot represents Hillary Clinton's political position? Marr Oct 2014 #73

Yes I very much am.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #90

Those things are absurdly inaccurate. Marr Oct 2014 #100

then come up with your own graphs and supporting evidence to prove it! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #102

Ok-- here you go. Marr Oct 2014 #107

+! adirondacker Oct 2014 #119

The Progressive Pursuit of Perfection... SomethingFishy Oct 2014 #10

+1 davidpdx Oct 2014 #27

Hillary - or any other mainstream Dem - is against these things? baldguy Oct 2014 #46

then you must no read the news DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #130

Children want to play with ponies in the sunshine, and eat candy everyday. baldguy Oct 2014 #132

adults DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #136

+ another Scuba Oct 2014 #49

so Hillary Clinton opposes those things? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #67

Oh look, it's the "perfection" myth again. Instant fail. n/t winter is coming Oct 2014 #11

It is interesting to see the rollout of the "if you are not for Hillary you are a paid RW operative" djean111 Oct 2014 #13

Yeah, I don't think it's going to fly far. Marr Oct 2014 #74

I am sorry....that is not a myth.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #92

I'm a Democrat. Another fail for you. n/t winter is coming Oct 2014 #94

are YOU committed to vote for whomever wins the Democratic Primary election... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #95

She is too hawkish. If she gets in I doubt we go 4 years without new boots on the ground somewhere. craigmatic Oct 2014 #21

How many Presidents got to say that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #69

The problem Aerows Oct 2014 #22

Seems to me that wanting/requiring universal Democratic support for Hillary is - a unicorn. djean111 Oct 2014 #23

The second paragraph hit the nail on the head davidpdx Oct 2014 #28

The thing is, there has always been attacks on the Dem nom from supposed "progressives" baldguy Oct 2014 #47

And who is saying that BESIDES her opponents? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #61

The "perfection" meme is dead and cold. Union Scribe Oct 2014 #24

Perfection? Shit, I'd settle for someone that AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #35

. nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #38

How dare two former SECSTATES be collegial! Oh, the Huge Manatee!!!! MADem Oct 2014 #42

Non negotiable for me as well. JEB Oct 2014 #123

She's a corporatist, if that's where you are content arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #43

Oh no she isn't VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #56

So, where is she on TPP? NAFTA was such a winner arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #118

K&R in the Strongest Possible Terms! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #44

What a ridiculous article. unrec. 2banon Oct 2014 #45

"Perfection" now being defined as.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #48

So those are the ONLY issues we need to be concerned with? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55

Is Hillary the ONLY politician who agrees with me on the issues you named? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #71

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL. Long way between there and "perfection". Scuba Oct 2014 #50

Oh, haven't you heard? Being against all those are all ponies and unicorns now. n/t djean111 Oct 2014 #51

Oh your pet peeves again....as if they are the ONLY issues to be concerned with... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #54

Not the only issues, but key, and good indicators. Scuba Oct 2014 #57

Obviously from my previous post....that is BULLSHIT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

She has a strong voting record on women's rights. Rhetoric on other progressive issues.... Scuba Oct 2014 #70

I'm sorry...YOU don't get to weigh the issues for the Party now do you? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #84

Nope, only for me, just as you only get to weigh them for you. Scuba Oct 2014 #114

right and your scale needs recalibrating if YOU think Hillary Clinton is equal to Richard Nixon! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #116

Pretty creepy how you capitalize "Party" Union Scribe Oct 2014 #122

"Pet peeves". Wow. Marr Oct 2014 #76

YOU keep telling yourself that there is ONLY one issue to consider..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #86

Sorry, but I think you gave away your credibility when you described war, economic injustice, Marr Oct 2014 #109

I described HIS pet issues....I didn't define those....and I will thank you NOT to put your words VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #110

Uh-huh. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #112

YES! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #113

Sure is a long way - a long journey through hell! polichick Oct 2014 #115

FIRST they have to stop lying about Hillary Clinton... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #52

Sigh. merrily Oct 2014 #53

Stop it til after the elections! She sucks on costly trade & war & income disparity. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #72

I'm not in pursuit of perfection. Iggo Oct 2014 #75

The Waltons and other 1%'ers support Hillary because she'll help them keep closeupready Oct 2014 #79

Is this the vote for the Democrat we tell you to thread or you aren't a good Democrat? mmonk Oct 2014 #80

Why yes, it is! And that really long, meant to derail the conversation by making it tedious to djean111 Oct 2014 #105

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #101

It's more than Hillary being hawkish. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #104

Ah, this old chestnut. I'd expect nothing less from the sideboob gazette. hughee99 Oct 2014 #108

DNC won't stop until it flushes liberals out of politics - it just gets worse whereisjustice Oct 2014 #133

Damn....I think we do get to vote, don't we? CANDO Oct 2014 #139

That's exactly what the anti-Democratic "progressives" want - No primaries, no votes counted. baldguy Oct 2014 #142

we all know that strawmen are all the third wayers have stupidicus Oct 2014 #140

Sanders and Warren fadedrose Oct 2014 #141

yep stupidicus Oct 2014 #143