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SheilaT

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69. I'm sorry. I don't get why anyone in uniform is

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 10:45 PM

Oct 2014

deserving of special privileges. They are doing a job. Just like anyone else. They VOLUNTEERED for this job, just as anyone else has volunteered for any other job. I don't care if little amenities offered to service members began to proliferate well before 9/11. They are amenities OFFERED. Not to be taken for granted.

I was an airline employee during the Vietnam war. I can tell you various stories connected to that. I do not believe that the Vietnam War era is a necessary template for how we should behave now. If for no other reason than the difference between a totally volunteer military, and one that was largely conscripted.

While everyone should always be treated with dignity and respect, I do not believe anyone deserves special privileges just by being a member of a particular caste.

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US airways gets bad press -attendant wouldn't hang vet's decorated jacket in 1st class closet [View all] Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 OP

This is stupid. It's just a jacket. morningfog Oct 2014 #1

he was going to job interview, i think Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #2

His bona fides are under question right now-one commenter suggests a "stolen valor" issue. MADem Oct 2014 #90

I hope someone definitely determines if he's a fraud. branford Oct 2014 #94

I'm going to stand with the underpaid, overworked, FAA minimum-staffed flight attendants. MADem Oct 2014 #97

Asking to hang a jacket is a common and extremely minor request. branford Oct 2014 #101

Not when the request is x120 coach passengers and there's only room in the "closet" for a few MADem Oct 2014 #134

uh oh Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #153

Maybe he was being modest about his accomplishments and didn't want to CTyankee Oct 2014 #3

Yes it's just a jacket Kalidurga Oct 2014 #4

An E-8 might worry about such things as a wrinkle HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #6

You miss the point entirely AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #8

No, and you miss the point Aerows Oct 2014 #21

Military dress uniforms are to be as neat as possible. I know, I watched my husband TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #25

Disgusting! So glad I have US Airlines tickets in November yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #31

Lol. Sure. morningfog Oct 2014 #47

Bull! yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #56

Having to hold one's jacket is not a tragedy. For anyone. Ever. morningfog Oct 2014 #70

Please tell them why 840high Oct 2014 #59

I will for sure! Thank you for the reminder. yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #60

You're going to cancel because of one flight attendant? CreekDog Oct 2014 #127

You're physically ill over one flight attendant? CreekDog Oct 2014 #132

A lot of different scenarios offend different times yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #142

Not hanging a coat vs. an unarmed teen getting killed? CreekDog Oct 2014 #145

I don't care yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #146

Results of your jury service ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #150

Do you know for a fact that any of this actually happened? yardwork Oct 2014 #136

I'm with you. And I'm repulsed by come of the insensitive replies. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #148

Wow, how insensitive. How ingrateful. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #147

His poor poor jacket. morningfog Oct 2014 #149

Remarkable mystification of the class dimension alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #5

Maybe I skimmed badly, but it was the beef of another passenger right? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #10

My post had nothing to do with who made the complaint alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #11

ding ding ding Jesus Malverde Oct 2014 #15

Sensitive, isn't he? blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #7

he didnt make the fuss. the other paasengers did Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #9

No. Aerows Oct 2014 #22

Shit like this helps fill the endless cable news hours so actual important shit can be left aside. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #12

+1 CJCRANE Oct 2014 #99

I'll bet Fauxsnooze is right on it, and has already found a way to blame Obama, to boot. nt MADem Oct 2014 #135

forgot than in our country drray23 Oct 2014 #13

Thank goodness the super majority would yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #33

Thankfully almost no Democratic candidates espouse your views branford Oct 2014 #36

Nicely put. Props. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #41

"In many places in Europe or elsewhere, their service members fear to wear their uniforms Jake Stern Oct 2014 #78

I was actually referencing far more recent stories that I recalled reading about British soldiers. branford Oct 2014 #79

Yeah so by all means... Takket Oct 2014 #39

Exactly..Thank you. n/t whathehell Oct 2014 #103

If someone in first class was willing to switch... Oktober Oct 2014 #46

absolutely none drray23 Oct 2014 #52

There's a big difference between the civilian leadership and the actual men and women who serve. branford Oct 2014 #55

Thank you. SheilaT Oct 2014 #53

Did you read the article or other comments? branford Oct 2014 #61

I'm sorry. I don't get why anyone in uniform is SheilaT Oct 2014 #69

And you are under no legal obligation to treat service members any differently. branford Oct 2014 #73

Okay, so he asked if he could hang up his coat. SheilaT Oct 2014 #76

As many have stated, the soldier didn't make a scene or release the pictures, branford Oct 2014 #77

Remind us again why we should care about you. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #109

READ Takket Oct 2014 #124

So don't... Oktober Oct 2014 #168

There are many more UglyGreed Oct 2014 #159

Did he pay for 1st class? No? Than why bitch and moan. TransitJohn Oct 2014 #14

Yeah. Dude wasn't even an officer. FreeJoe Oct 2014 #16

whats that supposed to mean ? drray23 Oct 2014 #18

Terrible, right? The problem is that curtain is no security. egduj Oct 2014 #17

LOL. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #62

No one is claiming the airline was required to assist the service member. branford Oct 2014 #37

The airlines will frequently bump up service folks into first class anyway. cwydro Oct 2014 #19

Wow. Things sure must have changed since the 80's-90's. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #42

I think a lot depends on if seats are available, and post 9/11 people began to notice even more. nt branford Oct 2014 #80

That happened to me often enough, and I never asked for it. MADem Oct 2014 #44

I am dismayed by the lack of comprehension of many of the posters TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #20

Exactly. Aerows Oct 2014 #23

Plus it's just general bullshit. tammywammy Oct 2014 #29

Some flight attendants take on the role of the local in-flight gestapo IMO. Not all, RKP5637 Oct 2014 #106

Do we know that any of that actually happened? Have the tweeters identified themselves? yardwork Oct 2014 #131

Obviously this Flight Attendent is in the wrong business yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #143

...and my post went right over your head. yardwork Oct 2014 #151

So what. My reply was a personal observation with facts yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #152

Even if he wasn't in the military, and just had a nice suit to hang up, they should have TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #24

Maybe the flight attendant needed her/his job & couldn't afford to be so breezy. Demit Oct 2014 #28

Small favors make good customer service and avoids bad PR. Especially in the age TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #30

This... Oktober Oct 2014 #48

The only people who were complaining were first-class passengers who wanted to help the soldier. nt branford Oct 2014 #38

Much ado about nothing... Sancho Oct 2014 #26

+1 Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #35

All things miliatary are becoming a secular fetish. rug Oct 2014 #27

Agreed DavidDvorkin Oct 2014 #32

/\ This. deathrind Oct 2014 #57

Indeed. And the more we elevate these useful idiots that deserve special treatment for Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #63

Should we treat them differently now that they are fighting in "Obama's Wars," branford Oct 2014 #81

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #82

All service members are "useful idiots" is most certainly not the position of the Democratic Party, branford Oct 2014 #83

This man is not entitled to first class treatment if he did not pay for first class treatment. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #85

And no one, including the soldier, has stated that he was "entitled" to first class treatment. branford Oct 2014 #86

I am a Navy mom jen63 Oct 2014 #121

Her comments are not the majority view here on DU. Welcome. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #123

Thank you! jen63 Oct 2014 #128

Just peruse the thread, and rest assured that most people respect service members. branford Oct 2014 #133

Your comments in this thread jen63 Oct 2014 #139

I dated a few mids, and was a beard for a few more back in msanthrope Oct 2014 #141

people are trying to feel patriotically good about themselves m-lekktor Oct 2014 #114

people are trying to feel patriotically good about themselves m-lekktor Oct 2014 #115

they SHOULD have hung it up but the passenger is kind of an asshole for making an issue JI7 Oct 2014 #34

Why? The publicity will help ensure that it will not happen again. nt branford Oct 2014 #40

Whi cares if it happens again. This is not a story. morningfog Oct 2014 #49

I care, and apparently so do many others who did not like that it happened at all. nt branford Oct 2014 #51

I flew coach a lot in uniform. I never thought to ask anyone to hang up my coat for me. MADem Oct 2014 #43

Exactly. morningfog Oct 2014 #50

I think you're missing the point. branford Oct 2014 #54

I never asked for my jacket to be hung up in coach. Why? It's COACH. MADem Oct 2014 #66

I'm sorry that you are all too willing to accept inferior service. branford Oct 2014 #74

Inferior service? If I expect First Class treatment, I'll pay First Class prices. MADem Oct 2014 #87

He didn't demand, he simply made a request, as would I if there was space in the closet. branford Oct 2014 #89

He likely accepted the "no" because he's fronting in some fashion. MADem Oct 2014 #91

If he impersonated a serviceman, that changes the story, but none of my points. branford Oct 2014 #92

I directed you to post 90 upthread in my previous post, where I cut/pasted the material you seek. MADem Oct 2014 #95

My mistake about the link, I edited the post. branford Oct 2014 #98

So, she's in trouble for doing her job and following policy. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #45

Best way to deal with this? Put the suit etc in a hanging bag and roll it/shove it in the overhead. MADem Oct 2014 #67

Or, actively LOOK to cause a scene. That's a possibility too. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #68

Backwards B girl!!!! MADem Oct 2014 #72

I don't think the flight Attendent should be fired yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #144

She doesn't need punishment of any sort. She did her job. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #154

Oh she is. Much needed respect for the military yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #156

Refusing to violate company policy just to hang a jacket is a crisis? DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #157

United Airlines was NOT pleased branford Oct 2014 #160

Failure to read the post: Check. Accuse another of your own doing: Check. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #162

Failure to read my second paragraph and miss the point of the entire discussion. nt branford Oct 2014 #163

Cite the law she violated. Cite the policy she violated. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #167

Uhh...Bizpac review is a right wing site. alp227 Oct 2014 #58

Totally he deserves special treatment for fighting in Bush's illegal wars. Totally special. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #64

Well, apparently they're now Obama's wars...Does that help? whathehell Oct 2014 #105

The military forgot to train the man how to take care of his own clothes. Sunlei Oct 2014 #65

Not a fan of airlines. Even less a fan of the military demanding special privileges. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #71

Well, lucky for you that the soldier did not demand special privileges. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #75

being a f/a is got to be a terrible job. shallwechat Oct 2014 #84

Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way. branford Oct 2014 #88

You are taking the tweets of the passengers, as reported by a right-wing site, as fact. Slow down. yardwork Oct 2014 #129

The story has appeared in multiple sources and the service member is legit. branford Oct 2014 #137

I read post #104 and it links to somebody else's blog. yardwork Oct 2014 #138

Even I would agree that this particular incident was blown way out of proportion. branford Oct 2014 #140

I almost always fly coach and I travel often. meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #93

Me, too, that's why I find the reactions so odd. branford Oct 2014 #96

Yes, but... meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #100

Very true, and I made that exact point in an earlier post. branford Oct 2014 #102

Then there's this. meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #104

Good news. branford Oct 2014 #107

Whenever one of my friends was home on leave... meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #108

Well considering we are only to fly in uniform... giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #110

I believe that my son wore his class A uniform TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #111

If he wasn't on official orders he was wrong. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #113

He was travelling for an interview with the brass for a new job in the AF TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #116

That's the Air Force, they aren't the Army. giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #120

The regs I posted are Army TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #125

The reg you posted said they are authorized to wear civilian clothes SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #164

Thank you. TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #169

Same here SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #170

The answer is that it comes and goes... Oktober Oct 2014 #171

Are you sure? meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #112

As previously stated was she on official orders? giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #119

She was coming home... from... I don't know. n/t meaculpa2011 Oct 2014 #122

Is his hand in his pocket? wercal Oct 2014 #117

This whole story is odd. /nt yardwork Oct 2014 #130

Oh noes! 99Forever Oct 2014 #118

I always thought.... Takket Oct 2014 #126

"uniformed" opinion . . . . very good DrDan Oct 2014 #172

USAir probably has a policy of immediate dismissal for any and all kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #155

This thread wins the award for crazy, jump to conclusions, I'm so outraged thread of the week Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #158

The incident itself was ridiculous and blown out of proportion. branford Oct 2014 #161

His fucking jacket was hung up Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #165

Except the jacket was not the only issue, and a lot happened before it was hung-up. nt branford Oct 2014 #166

US Airways officially apologizes branford Oct 2014 #173