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distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
25. Some of them believe
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:45 AM
Oct 2014

that the doctors were wading barefoot through piles of feces with cuts on their feet.

You can only get it through direct contact with someone else's poop and you have to have an open wound - this is what we have been told by DU'ers who are very concerned that people not "panic" (i.e., have discussions about Ebola). They couldn't possibly be wrong, could they?

Or, let's see - that it's harder to get than HIV (because health care workers are TOTALLY in grave danger of coming down with HIV when they spend time in an HIV-positive patient's room or when they touch an HIV-positive patient's stuff and then touch their face.)

Or, that Ebola is so hard to get that nobody should ever worry about being in the same space as a symptomatic Ebola patient, but also that the only reason gloved, shielded, and gowned nurses have contracted it is because they failed to follow every step of a complex medical protocol to the letter (See? Nothing for the average non-gloved, non-shielded, and non-gowned citizen to worry about!)

Just for the record, I am not the slightest bit concerned about personally getting Ebola. My hair is not on fire, there is no screaming or shouting, I spend days on end not thinking about Ebola at all. I am not buying an Ebola kit from natural news (or whatever that dumb woo woo website is), and I would be perfectly fine taking a business trip to Dallas if I were asked to go there. Also, yes, I got my flu shot this year. However, I also have never believed that denial, downplaying actual risk so we can feel better emotionally, or refusing to even discuss things is a good way to prepare for possible negative outcomes. Let's talk about Ebola some more, before more cases arrive on our shores, so that we are better prepared to deal with it as a society than we were with the Dallas case. Let's talk about Ebola some more, so that we can get more momentum toward dealing with the problem in Africa, before it infects 1.4 million people (the epidemiologists' forecast for the next few months)*. Let's not just whistle past the graveyard and assume it will all work out fine because "Ebola is so hard to get".

*Someone on Discussionist (of all places) made the analogy about the Ebola epidemic that we are like people living in a house a few streets over from a wildfire. Right now the fire (in Africa) is small, but a couple of sparks still drifted over our way (here in the US) and we had to run and put them out before they started a fire on their own. Luckily, we have sophisticated fire containment measures over here on our street, so it's not a big deal yet. However, if we wait and refuse to do anything about the fire a few streets over, eventually it will grow bigger and bigger. And the bigger it gets, the more sparks will drift over our way. Eventually we will be spending a lot of time and resources running around having to put out all the sparks that are landing in our yard, and the likelihood grows that we will miss one and it will start a real fire on our street too. It would be much better to just loan some of our fire-fighting equipment to our neighbors now to prevent having to deal with all those sparks later.

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It could be as simple as the Spanish case. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #1
The problem I have with that excuse is it doesn't make sense. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #6
From what I read, one time she removed the patient's diaper, the other time she removed patient's LisaL Oct 2014 #7
I've read she cleaned it. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #9
She may have been exposed before she cleaned the room. We don't know exactly when she was exposed. yardwork Oct 2014 #18
It doesn't say that was her only contact with him - Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Shivering Jemmy Oct 2014 #16
All that needs to happen is a single virus particle coming into contact with kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #34
Sneezing and coughing release droplets which is how 'flu' is caught Demsrule86 Oct 2014 #60
It is much more contagious than reported Demsrule86 Oct 2014 #59
Someone on CNN suggested that a few regional centers TBF Oct 2014 #2
If not properly used and proper procedures not followed it's not all that "protective" hobbit709 Oct 2014 #3
Well, DUH. Except there is no evidence as yet for even mentioning this. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #5
And there's even less evidence that the virus magically got through all the protection. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #8
Um. Yeah. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #10
You grasp at your straw, and I'll sip at mine. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #15
Sluuurp! hobbit709 Oct 2014 #17
Sadly, protection is only acheived etherealtruth Oct 2014 #11
One of Murphy's Laws. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #13
Unfortunately, any one of us can act foolishly etherealtruth Oct 2014 #20
Even with proper training and practice it only takes one little slip and it all becomes worthless hobbit709 Oct 2014 #23
So have I (seen it happen) .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #24
Protective gear is a good start SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #4
Exactly .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #12
Yes, the discipline to properly implement the use of the gear HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #19
Emory & Nebraska setups are far more intense Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #14
do folks actually believe the infected dr's were all having sex with their patients? ileus Oct 2014 #22
Some of them believe distantearlywarning Oct 2014 #25
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #36
+a trillion. nt magical thyme Oct 2014 #61
Excellent post. nt laundry_queen Oct 2014 #63
wtf? the nurse in spain, without thought touched her face. ooops. can = infected. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #33
Some protocol was not followed still_one Oct 2014 #26
CDC has assured us Ebola not very contagious scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #27
But you can get it while wearing full protective gear. LisaL Oct 2014 #29
I would highly recommend that everyone watch this. It really is simple LiberalArkie Oct 2014 #28
it is. i did. it was very very informative. an excellent watch in better understanding. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #32
Ebola Spread Shows Flaws in Protective Gear and Procedures riverwalker Oct 2014 #30
t took a couple days, for the nurse in spain to pin point, where she probably got it. seabeyond Oct 2014 #31
seabeyond, she was not a nurse, not a professional, but an inadequately trained unlicensed volunteer uppityperson Oct 2014 #47
and this was THEIR first. and you learn. and people will continue to make mistakes because... seabeyond Oct 2014 #48
Indeed, we do not have the same environment at all. uppityperson Oct 2014 #49
Expressing it that way, that the worker was wearing the approved protective gear, SheilaT Oct 2014 #35
So one little element. One single strand if you will. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #37
Basically, yes. SheilaT Oct 2014 #40
experimentally, 1-10 in an aerosol exposure are enough HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #41
Several interesting articles with general background Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #38
In other news water is wet. herding cats Oct 2014 #39
Yes, they should have moved him to Emory, Nebraska, or one of the other two hospitals LisaL Oct 2014 #42
The hospital made the same claim they were capable of handling the Ebola case. herding cats Oct 2014 #46
Mr. Duncan was put on dialysis and ventillation. LisaL Oct 2014 #52
I hate to say this, but the latest reports appear to be making it clear..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #43
They are just speculating. LisaL Oct 2014 #44
I'm sorry, but that is almost certainly how it happened. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #45
Shouldn't you postpone ruling things out, until you know how she got infected? LisaL Oct 2014 #50
The worker may have taken the gear off wrong. nt MADem Oct 2014 #51
Total speculation at this point. LisaL Oct 2014 #53
Well, I was speculating....that's why I said "may have." MADem Oct 2014 #54
Before we get too excited, let's confirm the diagnosis. missingthebigdog Oct 2014 #55
No, you don't understand correctly. LisaL Oct 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author missingthebigdog Oct 2014 #57
I see that since my last post, the diagnosis has been confirmed missingthebigdog Oct 2014 #58
They need "spotters" to help with the undressing and video SoCalDem Oct 2014 #62
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