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Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:08 PM

Oct 2014

The 2016 Presidential election begins the day after the midterm elections (unless there is a significant distraction from Louisiana) and three and a half weeks out, I don't see anyone who's laid the groundwork to overcome Hillary. Even the grandchild was timed perfectly for this.

You're probably old enough to remember the last time a Democratic frontrunner was overcome by a candidate on the left of the party, and that was 1972. Ed Muskie would have been a completely viable candidate against a second term of Richard Nixon, and Nixon's complete trouncing of George McGovern no doubt added to his feeling of invincibility when Watergate started unfolding. That prolonged the agony for about a year or so, screwing the economy up in the process.

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Hillary will be the nominee two years hence. Not Warren. Not Sanders. [View all] Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 OP

More defeatism. Maedhros Oct 2014 #1

Defeatism? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #19

What is purity? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #23

A real primary, for starters? merrily Oct 2014 #254

If purity is DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #33

The Senate ratifies treaties. Speak with them. nt MADem Oct 2014 #213

and where is the retort DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #220

The Federal government doesn't manage schools -- speak to your local school board. MADem Oct 2014 #223

of course you never mention what she SAYS DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #227

Not all charter schools are bad. This is news to you? MADem Oct 2014 #239

actually DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #247

YMMV DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #248

The federal government has a lot to do with schools. merrily Oct 2014 #255

The federal government does not MANAGE schools. nt MADem Oct 2014 #258

Empty semantics. The power of the federal purse. merrily Oct 2014 #260

Ratifies, yes. But treaties are for the President in the first instance. merrily Oct 2014 #256

They go nowhere without ratification. nt MADem Oct 2014 #257

They don't even go to the Senate without the President. merrily Oct 2014 #259

If she is the nominee, I believe she will lose. merrily Oct 2014 #253

The funny thing about prohecies. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #2

Prophecy? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #20

I missed HRC's announcement got a link? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #103

Hillary is not running RobertEarl Oct 2014 #3

I agree. What does she have to prove? She should zonkers Oct 2014 #14

Yes, agree, life is too short. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #184

she is a pol....its what they do... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #193

Certainly true and, obviously, her choice. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #218

and she's running...... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #224

So besides building a campaign organization, constant fund raising and campaign visits hack89 Oct 2014 #38

You gonna believe your lying eyes? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #75

that is utter horseshit! She polls ahead of EVERY Republican....AND she is married to VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #49

I do not think we are disputing that she can win the general election. I for one am not happy with jwirr Oct 2014 #85

too bad....We have a Primary election and not everyone gets to have their "Special Candidate" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #119

What I want is for her to have an opponent so that the issues can be discussed. I do not want a jwirr Oct 2014 #122

are you committed to vote for whomever wins the Primary....even if it IS Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #123

I am absolutely committed to voting for the Democratic Party Candidates in 2016. I have always jwirr Oct 2014 #124

I asked even if it IS Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #126

Of course. What other choice do we have in the general. If she wins the primary she is our candidate jwirr Oct 2014 #136

As I have repeatedly already and I have ALWAYS said I vote for whomever wins the Primary....btw VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #137

In the end DU will vote Democratic for the same reason I will. Because to not vote or to vote for an jwirr Oct 2014 #138

But many here say they will not.....and I let them know that they are Independents... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #140

I understand. I think that pic fits the Democrats (wheat) from the Rs (chaff) better. jwirr Oct 2014 #141

there's some wheat and chaff hanging around DU as well.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #143

Agree marions ghost Oct 2014 #282

Precisely! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #185

she will run GummyBearz Oct 2014 #171

Bill was not all that great. NAFTA, Bohunk68 Oct 2014 #197

yes GummyBearz Oct 2014 #199

We have a great one now Tweedy Oct 2014 #279

its not about liking Bill...duh...he is the best when it VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #245

I dunno.... Stellar Oct 2014 #187

LOL, you crack me up! nt Logical Oct 2014 #229

Like Reagan lost again when he ran again? nt pnwmom Oct 2014 #204

And I remember Sputnik. Hillary Clinton has plenty enough time to lose whatever lock she .... marble falls Oct 2014 #4

She doesn't have a "lock" what she HAS is known as SUPPORT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #50

Nope! I am confident she can lose it like last time! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #230

you can be a unicorn for all we care... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #244

You realize warren is a woman, correct? And a real liberal!! nt Logical Oct 2014 #249

You realize Warren IS one of those Ladies of the VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #266

Get ready for disappointment. nt Logical Oct 2014 #270

no I'm the one pledged to vote for whoever wins VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #272

We'll, we agree on that. I'll vote Hillary if she is the one. Nt Logical Oct 2014 #273

Good....now Mr Logical VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #275

You owe me a keyboard! MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #5

Thank you, MG, for yet another disjointed comment Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #21

Just when you had your hopes set so high? L0oniX Oct 2014 #105

Do you realize how much damage I've done to my screen trying to swat that damn fly? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #191

Oh god! I just had a flashback to 2007. morningfog Oct 2014 #6

INEVITABLE!!!! WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT THE STONE COLD INEVITABLENESS OF THE INEVITABILITY? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #226

I was already 5 3/4 years old and remember seeing sputink drift across the night sky. JEB Oct 2014 #7

Which candidates do you think takes money from Wall Street and other corporate interest? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #8

Candidates from both major parties. JEB Oct 2014 #13

Which ones, names. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #16

Why does Bernie Sanders need to become a Democrat to win for $1000 Alex? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #51

I hear the corporatist thrown around and hopefully soon some will learn if someone is Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #60

Exactly.....they never ever like to answer the question about why Bernie Sanders needs the VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #62

He would be a hard sell, the Socialist title he gives himself is a killer, I don't think Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #65

I don't think Bernie could get elected and neither could Warren IMO. The republicans RKP5637 Oct 2014 #112

M.O.N.E.Y. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #129

Heres your answer jeepers Oct 2014 #169

Which ones don't? Names? JEB Oct 2014 #79

This is a true answer, they all are corporatist. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #97

then even Bernie Sanders is....if he becomes a Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #131

Do you really think Bernie running is going to make a difference, doesnt matter if Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #150

more than Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #151

Bernie can make a difference if enough of us vote for him. JEB Oct 2014 #154

If only Hillary jeepers Oct 2014 #168

I don't see any way to recapture our Party or JEB Oct 2014 #149

Somebody or some corporation will have to put the money up, until Citizens United is kicked out Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #152

Somebody or some corporation will have to put the money up. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #158

Or we could choose a caandidate that has winning policies JEB Oct 2014 #159

go ahead....you can even start your very own Party... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #194

http://www.opensecrets.org/ Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #153

Thanks for the link. Excellent info. JEB Oct 2014 #155

deja vu all over again. deal with it, ancient one. cali Oct 2014 #9

DU is not representative of real life or reality. n/t Lil Missy Oct 2014 #10

i agree. DUers are well informed political junkies. nt m-lekktor Oct 2014 #35

Saw my first bumper sticker today. Lochloosa Oct 2014 #11

IMO in corporate stranglehold America, one could do far worse than Hillary. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #114

So being born on the same day Sputnik launched...... Capt.Rocky300 Oct 2014 #12

Not to quibble ... former9thward Oct 2014 #24

True, but the official nominations...... Capt.Rocky300 Oct 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #15

Wrong, there is plenty of interest. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #17

sure, there are these pinheads lurking AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #18

So, Warren is Obama II? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #25

How'd that puerile attitude work out last time? AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #29

Last time (2008), Obama was Running Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #173

the base would be thrilled to have Elizabeth run AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #174

Probably more thrilled tazkcmo Oct 2014 #235

Blue DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #34

Who are you calling Blue Dog? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #63

Pinheads? What do you call those who can't read opinion polls of over 50%? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #41

SOOOO who do you have as your "Obama" to take it away from her? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #56

Any real democrat will do! nt Logical Oct 2014 #231

so which "real" Democrat do you like? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #242

Unfortunately, you may be right. And, I'll "deal with it" if it should happen. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #22

Are you advocating a third party run, you see where this gas gotten us in the past, maybe Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #43

Would you vote for Hillary if she ran as an Independent? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #139

I doubt she would ever run as an independent so you are asking a question which will not happen. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #145

It's obviously a hypothetical question. Can you answer it. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #146

She may not get your vote but would you rather a Republican? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #148

I don't want either. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #160

One has to be in demand, sorry Bernie doesnt cut it. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #162

Good. The question then is why Hillary is in demand to provide the entertainment to Goldman Sachs. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #167

she is in Demand brcause MOST real Democrats VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #243

Obviously you trust Goldman Sachs judgement over mine. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #250

who you got getting elected for free? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #265

So, it's OK for politicians to accept money from corporations? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #267

when Bernie becones a Democrat where do YOU VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #269

I have no idea but I would still object if it came from an outfit like Goldman Sachs. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #271

oh yes you do...stop feigning naivete... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #274

Do you agree with that idea? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #277

What is YOUR alternative that is in REALITY.....not an Ideal! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #281

My alternative is to vote issues and policies rather than party or politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #284

I an pledged to vote for whomever wins the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #285

I don't make "pledges", "oaths", or "promises" beyond "maybe" in politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #289

+1000. I vote for representatives, not liege-lords. n/t winter is coming Oct 2014 #291

Third Way you say???? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #57

No one will be happy Skeowes28 Oct 2014 #26

I think she will likely be, not will be fadedrose Oct 2014 #27

Understandable, people don't like or handle change arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #28

Did you think the same thing in 2008? n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2014 #30

Both Clintons have major health issues. Divernan Oct 2014 #31

Flame bait Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #32

same old shit....from an oldie... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #52

Pretty sure that's all it was intended to be. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #91

100% L0oniX Oct 2014 #100

Inevitability like back in 2008? mmonk Oct 2014 #36

But...but...but davidpdx Oct 2014 #39

How dare we not choose the one party mmonk Oct 2014 #46

then I suggest you start your own! Of course that would mean you would need to start your own VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #54

Why start my own club when my mmonk Oct 2014 #68

Well obviously you don't like being a member of OUR club! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #72

You obviously didn't read my post you are criticising mmonk Oct 2014 #89

It should be obvious that the "club" is pretty damn divided in this respect... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #95

only on DU.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #133

No they aren't.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #53

It's not about me, it's about the CLAIMS being made on DU davidpdx Oct 2014 #175

Your age has nothing to do with anything. I am older than you by a decade. Deal with it. djean111 Oct 2014 #37

+1 davidpdx Oct 2014 #40

I agree as well. If she's so fantastic, she shouldn't have any problem with the primary process kysrsoze Oct 2014 #263

Who do you think is not corporate? Third way as many here work against? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #45

That's the problem, isn't it? djean111 Oct 2014 #48

You can't answer the question of who do you think is not corporate? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #55

No, that's not the problem at all. djean111 Oct 2014 #69

So lets say Rand Paul comes out against the TPP.....Do you vote Rand Paul instead? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #73

No, that is not my ONLY interest, you are being disingenuous. djean111 Oct 2014 #77

Here is another simple test, who do you think will be elected without donations from corporations? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #76

bull shit! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

Is that chart from Hillary's site? djean111 Oct 2014 #66

What's bullshit is any insinuation that chart is in any way reflective of Hillary. Chan790 Oct 2014 #210

Man, I am glad she's inevitable. Then I don't have to do anything, financial support, or even Katashi_itto Oct 2014 #42

That nominee would guarantee Jeb Bush moves into the Oval Office. Octafish Oct 2014 #44

The theory a Bush could ever beat a Clinton is a theory in search of evidence. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #128

Really? Tweedy Oct 2014 #280

President Clinton accomplished much, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #287

Great Tweedy Oct 2014 #294

I will do everything in my power to not let that happen (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #47

Brave TRUE DEM you are! mylye2222 Oct 2014 #61

Where they say they vote for Republican? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #232

Where does one get lessons for operating the puppet show? L0oniX Oct 2014 #101

The Owl Shop (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #104

Me too, Will. n/t Chan790 Oct 2014 #211

Well perhaps when you mature a little more... 99Forever Oct 2014 #59

A true reason for optimism and enthusiasm. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #64

are you fucking kidding me?? navarth Oct 2014 #74

Are they all the same? No Scootaloo Oct 2014 #177

Scootaloo navarth Oct 2014 #186

I was launched from my mother 3 months before Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor tularetom Oct 2014 #67

Well hopefully a Warren or Sanders push can get Hillary to slide leftward to allay some fears. BenzoDia Oct 2014 #70

Any seemingly leftward slide is only fodder for her campaign. L0oniX Oct 2014 #102

I dunno, man. Maybe it'll appeal to her sense of decency....lol BenzoDia Oct 2014 #107

Well, as a Schweitzer and O'Malley supporter I disagree, but I like your style Recursion Oct 2014 #71

well I would have been 3 at the time. But I guess we don't need to have primaries Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #78

K&R. mylye2222 Oct 2014 #80

That seems to be the plan. djean111 Oct 2014 #82

Sanders would have no chance of winning the nom, since he's not a registered Democrat Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #81

Are one-time Republicans out then? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #195

People who liked Ike 50 years ago are welcome. pnwmom Oct 2014 #205

What if they liked Goldwater? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #217

The year isn't the key -- the person is. pnwmom Oct 2014 #219

I realize there is the Hillary-was-a-Goldwater Girl thing. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #222

"...questionable Native American heritage...."? truebluegreen Oct 2014 #262

Indian Country Today Media Network tried several times to contact her Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #290

I'd call it a non-issue that she has addressed already truebluegreen Oct 2014 #292

The link to the ICTMN article is embedded in my post above Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #293

I am older than you and yeah she may be the nominee but we will not be happy with it and in the jwirr Oct 2014 #83

I'm with you on every point Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #87

With you too. AngryOldDem Oct 2014 #121

We don't need to vote. tazkcmo Oct 2014 #238

Perfect post! nt Logical Oct 2014 #233

Two years is an eternity in politics YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #84

If age counts for anything here, let me say Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #86

Well said. I also have my doubts that anyone put Hillary can win. Do you think anyone except us jwirr Oct 2014 #90

George Santayana-- Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #96

I think some of the 1972 change came as a backlash to the demonstation against the war. That is jwirr Oct 2014 #98

I think you're exactly right. You've set off a cascade of thoughts. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #106

All due to fear of change. What they are going to find out is that change comes rather we like it or jwirr Oct 2014 #110

And the first dinosaur to encounter a little mammal Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #111

LOL jwirr Oct 2014 #113

Lol. Deal with it? RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #88

So, our Party is so corrupt that Hillary is JEB Oct 2014 #92

After you were launched... Oilwellian Oct 2014 #94

Apparently not. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #115

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #99

You were older than a lot of people most of your life. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #108

Wait! I thought Hillary Clinton was nominated and elected in 2008! SheilaT Oct 2014 #109

Agreed customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #116

I think her support is drying up fast Android3.14 Oct 2014 #117

based on what? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #118

And if that happens there will be massive lack of turnout daredtowork Oct 2014 #120

She'll have my vote..... BooScout Oct 2014 #125

funny DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #201

Revisionist history. Chan790 Oct 2014 #212

sort of like..... BooScout Oct 2014 #278

Oh OK then Phlem Oct 2014 #127

LOL! I"m older than you by at least 10 years. We know she's the Anointed One. YOU Deal with it. 2banon Oct 2014 #130

The nomination is very likely hers if she wants it. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #132

If Hillary is elected, we'll see the greatest surge toward libertarianism in the last 30 years LittleBlue Oct 2014 #134

Hillary is running. The "media" will create... Mike Nelson Oct 2014 #135

Which will guarantee a Republican takes office. obxhead Oct 2014 #142

The mighty Nightowl has hooted! polichick Oct 2014 #144

LOL! Okay kewl story bro! Rex Oct 2014 #147

This again? arcane1 Oct 2014 #156

If Hillary is our nominee, then the GOP JEB Oct 2014 #157

Hmmm, the list of non-fucking batshit crazy assholes LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #196

Neither do I. JEB Oct 2014 #216

If HRC chooses to run, she will have tremendous support from ordinary folks. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #161

Anderson Cooper had a really great response to this. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #163

Like your description! calimary Oct 2014 #164

So what would change if you are right? mikehiggins Oct 2014 #165

Must be nice to be precognisent intaglio Oct 2014 #166

All settled? jeepers Oct 2014 #170

No. tazkcmo Oct 2014 #240

The beatings will continue DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #172

That's what I was hearing in 2006 Scootaloo Oct 2014 #176

She won't win the primary. Early front runners tend to lose Democratic Presidential primaries. (nt) w4rma Oct 2014 #178

Pretty certain of that Scootaloo Oct 2014 #180

Hillary Clinton is even further to the right than Obama; area51 Oct 2014 #179

I've always wanted a TARDIS. Could I borrow yours? n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #181

You may be right, Mister Nightowl, but democrank Oct 2014 #182

Heard that in 2008, lol. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #183

Hillary will run and win imo but a primary is a good thing. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #188

wee... WillyT Oct 2014 #189

Why is it that some people think they are older than most around hear? Stellar Oct 2014 #190

I had no idea that Sputnik gave its generational progeny the powers of prophecy... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #192

Deal with it: I'm older than you and age does not equal anything except getting older. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #198

Doesn't she have to announce that she's running first? DFW Oct 2014 #200

She can wait longer than anyone else because she already has a national organization. pnwmom Oct 2014 #206

She can also lead the Republicans around by the nose for two years and then say she's not interested DFW Oct 2014 #207

I don't think she's definite either. But I think she can wait longer than anyone else to decide. nt pnwmom Oct 2014 #208

I'd have to agree with you on that point. n/t DFW Oct 2014 #214

No, she can't... brooklynite Oct 2014 #268

Same psychic prediction as last week! tridim Oct 2014 #202

maybe so but she won't be president bowens43 Oct 2014 #203

LOL-whatever Marrah_G Oct 2014 #209

They don't intend to be tuhaybey Oct 2014 #215

Poop stinks PowerToThePeople Oct 2014 #221

What the fuck does Sputnik have to do with it? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #225

LOL, ok! Like last time? nt Logical Oct 2014 #228

Deal with it? tazkcmo Oct 2014 #234

All that goes out the window AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #236

Same post could have been made in 2006. JonLP24 Oct 2014 #237

Then why bother waste money on primary elections? davidn3600 Oct 2014 #241

Okay. LWolf Oct 2014 #246

And if she is the nominee, I'll vote for her. Shadowflash Oct 2014 #251

That would be unfortunate and undemocratic. merrily Oct 2014 #252

No one knows the future. Deal with that having been launched from my mother WELL before Autumn Oct 2014 #261

Yep. Not sure we are capable of doing better. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #264

Well, that's a fascinating stance for a poster who writes OP's woo me with science Oct 2014 #276

Not O'Malley. Not Webb. KamaAina Oct 2014 #283

I'm not sure whether Hillary will run or not, but I agree about Warren and Sanders. Beacool Oct 2014 #286

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