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In reply to the discussion: Study: You Can't Change an Anti-Vaxxer's Mind [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)98. Chris Mooney is a 37 yo Yalie; here's an older Yalie, Dan Olmsted. Each earned BA degree in English.
CHECK IT OUT:
http://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow-daily/watch/the-truth-about-vaccines---autism-339650627865
http://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/debunking-the-anti-vaccine-movement-340243523842
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/10/age-of-autism-weekly-wrap-.html (appropriate snark considering sobbing as the alternative)
FYI: (Mooney pitches the official CDC and Rand Corp views; Olmsted is an independent investigative journalist (maybe there'll be a movie in 30 years vindicating his reporting).
http://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow-daily/watch/the-truth-about-vaccines---autism-339650627865
http://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/debunking-the-anti-vaccine-movement-340243523842
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/10/age-of-autism-weekly-wrap-.html (appropriate snark considering sobbing as the alternative)
FYI: (Mooney pitches the official CDC and Rand Corp views; Olmsted is an independent investigative journalist (maybe there'll be a movie in 30 years vindicating his reporting).
http://us.macmillan.com/author/danolmsted
Dan Olmsted is Editor of the blog Age of Autism (ageofautism.com). He has been a journalist for 35 years and was an original staff member of USA Today and Senior Editor of USA WEEKEND and United Press International. He lives in Falls Church City, Virginia and is a member of the National Press Club.http://autism.lovetoknow.com/Age_of_Autism
AOA Editors: Yale College graduate Dan Olmsted is an investigative reporter who focuses his research on autism and related pervasive developmental disorders. His research includes investigations of the Amish community in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, a community that has very few cases of autism. Dan is the coauthor of the book Age of Autism: Mercury, Medicine and a Man-made Epidemic. Age of Autism is a collaborative effort between Olmsted and Mark Blaxill, the Editor-at-Large for the Age of Autism. Blaxill is a graduate of Princeton University and Harvard Business School. He is the parent of a child with autism.
Other work by Olmsted, below. GOOGLE - lariam site:ageofautism.com (145 results). Related: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014598418http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/drugs-death-and-the-manufacture-of-doubt.html
Posted by Age of Autism at April 26, 2009
Drugs, Death and the Manufacture of Doubt
By Dan Olmsted
I hope regular readers of this site will indulge a fairly extended incursion into a topic that, on the surface, is unrelated to autism but that connects at a deep level with our point and purpose. It concerns what I would call an analogous situation, and analogies sometimes have just as much power as direct argument and evidence.
This piece is triggered by two articles written last week on The Huffington Post by Greg Mitchell, editor of Editor & Publisher magazine and nine books including Wrong for So Long: How the Press, the Pundits -- and the President -- Failed on Iraq. Greg is one of the really smart guys orbiting the media universe, and was among the first to raise questions about the weak and wobbly performance of the press in covering the so-called war on terror.
My own experience with Greg comes from something he wrote in March 2004: My vote for Iraq reporter of the year goes to a low-profile journalist who did not cover the war itself and has never even been to Baghdad. His name is Mark Benjamin, 33, and he serves as investigations editor for United Press International out of Washington, D.C. E&P has documented his work since last autumn, and now the heavy hitters - The New York Times and The Washington Post - are following his lead, taking a long look at the forgotten American victims of the war: the injured, the traumatized, and the suicides.
At that point, Mark and I were colleagues at UPI -- I was his editor on those stories, although we were first and foremost co-conspirators in trying to bring attention to the woeful way the military was treating its soldiers and veterans. We had already been working together a couple of years at that point, starting in early 2002 with an investigative series on an anti-malaria drug called Lariam. The Army invented it as older malaria pills were losing effectiveness during the Vietnam era, and rushed it onto the market with inadequate testing under a licensing deal with Roche. It didnt take long for the pharmaceutical version of sin in haste, repent at leisure effect to appear -- by the late 1980s, severe mental problems that included suicide and aggressive behavior were showing up in the military and also in the general traveling population, which was being prescribed Lariam as the new wonder drug.
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How happy do you think parents were, in the late 50's, when a polio vaccine became available...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#17
I was born in '64. I know how happy parents were about the polio, MMR and other vaccines.
REP
Oct 2014
#22
I also had the smallpox vac and was happy to get it. I have met people who survived smallpox.
Shrike47
Oct 2014
#106
Everyone that I know who has not vaccinated their children has a Masters degree or higher
Tumbulu
Oct 2014
#57
Steve Jobs was similar to an antivaxer. He waited to cure himself and then it was too late.
randome
Oct 2014
#153
Too many times people that are enormously successful in one facet of their lives believe they
Ikonoklast
Oct 2014
#183
Which explains why so many successful parents fall for the anti-vax bullshit.
zappaman
Oct 2014
#184
And it seems many such as those parents are the ones with "Indigo Children".
Ikonoklast
Oct 2014
#186
Weary sigh. The two sources I've seen promoting that meme are Dr. Nancy Snyderman & Dr. Paul Offit.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#185
not in this case. this anti vaccine shit is also a problem with college educated upper middleclass
La Lioness Priyanka
Oct 2014
#122
But everyone on DU wants to thump their chest and claim it is only the fundamentalists
Tumbulu
Oct 2014
#135
no, this is the lefts version of climate change denial. i feel like i wrote an op about this
La Lioness Priyanka
Oct 2014
#150
Some one just has to give up on, logic fails on them. One hopes that with their idiocracy they
RKP5637
Oct 2014
#4
They don't like to be compared to a cult, but that's what it looks like to me. eom
Blanks
Oct 2014
#32
Mumps causes sterility. The Illuminati don't want the kids of smart people like you to reproduce...
hunter
Oct 2014
#87
I was engaged in extensive discussions on Facebook on the 'CDC whistleblower' story...
Blanks
Oct 2014
#29
So, if you can't actually change their minds, why spend so much effort trying to?
Electric Monk
Oct 2014
#34
Google allows you to know your allies & their shifting rationalizations. Do their arguments hold up?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#113
I'd prefer another more serious unedited interview w Dr. Melinda Wharton but I haven't seen one.(nt)
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#209
Probably not even then. I can easily see a paranoid conspiracy theory being spun...
Silent3
Oct 2014
#68
LOL. The US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court paid out $276,424,636.81 in fiscal year 2013.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#79
I said "Regardless of the source of the injury." Please reread my post, thanks. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#97
If there's a statement you'd like to challenge, please quote it directly, thanks. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#104
No such connection therein stated or implied, as demonstrated once already. Please read carefully:
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#108
Unsupported & easily disproven talking points do not a thorough refutation make.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#152
Since 1989, the US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court has paid $2,857,926,807.60 in damages.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#81
every parent is given information about the vaccine injury fund when they consent to vaccination.
missingthebigdog
Oct 2014
#134
$2,857,926,807.60 in vaccine injury damage awards should give you your answer. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#154
You really don't understand the difference between science and courts of any kind, do you?
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#161
Are you from Maine? Seen this Op-Ed? Don't be afraid to read in full & please check out links, too.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#92
Here on DU, one's decisions about one's body belong to the Pompous Brigade,
closeupready
Oct 2014
#93
Chris Mooney is a 37 yo Yalie; here's an older Yalie, Dan Olmsted. Each earned BA degree in English.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#98
The editorializing in Mooney's article is unsupported & offensive. The study is worth reading, OTOH.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#126
Do you regard as problematic everyone on earth except those following the exact 2014 CDC schedule?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#101
I like accuracy. Please point out a concrete example of "misdirection/half-truths about vaccination"
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#116
CDC Whistleblower Text Exchange With Mrs. Wakefield: “Your husband’s career was unjustly damaged..."
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#124
Keep trying. Wakefield is a fraud and continues to be a dangerous asshat...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#125
AUTISM SPEAKS: Regressive Autism Reported Twice as Often among African American Children
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#138
Anti-vax bullshit should get a poster banned, under the Crazy Talk part of the TOS...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#149
Dr Gorski read the following & provided comments. Skim it, skip the parts you regard as insufferable
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#166
#CDCwhistleblower #hearthiswell - unreported in the MSM, but not credible? Really? (nt)
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#174
Worth the automatic hide and thread lock-out for citing blacklisted site, HuckleB; this is tedious.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#171
Why are you spamming debunked nonsense, and making baseless claims about other items?
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#173
My youngest brother got measles and chicken pox at the same time. He almost died.
appleannie1
Oct 2014
#103
Yes, Quarantine all those who should be vaccinated and are not. They pose a risk to public health
on point
Oct 2014
#190
You misunderstand. The can leave quarantine anytime they like. Get vaccinated or get sick.
on point
Oct 2014
#199
If one does not challenge their claims, those who do not know enough can be conned.
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#175
Are you calling these Harvard & other MDs baseless names & suggesting they should be made pariahs?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#207
Seems it would take plenty convincing for someone to even become an anti-vaxxer in the first place
JonLP24
Oct 2014
#200
All Anti Vaxers should be sentenced to spend at least one day in the late fifties.
alphafemale
Oct 2014
#205