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In reply to the discussion: Study: You Can't Change an Anti-Vaxxer's Mind [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)116. I like accuracy. Please point out a concrete example of "misdirection/half-truths about vaccination"
You might've missed this text exchange on Aug 27, 2014 between Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Senior CDC Scientist, Dr. William W. Thompson. Wait awhile and see what develops.
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http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/09/text-message-confirms-cdcwhistleblower-apology-to-wakefield-for-cdc-mmr-cover-up.html
Text Message Confirms #CDCwhistleblower Apology to Wakefield for CDC MMR Cover Up
Age of Autism has confirmed the veracity of this text message from #CDCwhistleblower Dr. William Thompson to Dr. Andrew J. Wakefield.
PHOTO OF CELLPHONE SCREEN:
Posted by Age of Autism at September 02, 2014 at 4:45 PM
Text Message Confirms #CDCwhistleblower Apology to Wakefield for CDC MMR Cover Up
Age of Autism has confirmed the veracity of this text message from #CDCwhistleblower Dr. William Thompson to Dr. Andrew J. Wakefield.
PHOTO OF CELLPHONE SCREEN:
AJW: "Is the press release real?"
WT: "Yes"
AJW: "Thank you. This was the right and honorable thing to do. Andy"
WT: "I agree. I apologize again for the price you paid for my dishonesty."
AJW: "I forgive you completely and without any bitterness."
WT: "I know you mean it and am grateful to know you more personally."
Posted by Age of Autism at September 02, 2014 at 4:45 PM
http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
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August 27, 2014 Press Release, Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism
NEWS
August 27, 2014 Press Release, Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - AUGUST 27,2014
STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM
My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.
I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.
My concern has been the decision to omit relevant findings in a particular study for a particular sub group for a particular vaccine. There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines.
I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10 months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I share his beliefthat CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.
I am grateful for the many supportive e-mails that I have received over the last several days. I will not be answering further questions at this time. I am providing information to Congressman William Posey, and of course will continue to cooperate with Congress. I have also offered to assist with reanalysis of the study data or development of further studies. For the time being, however, I am focused on my job and my family.
Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information. I will do everything I can to assist any unbiased and objective scientists inside or outside the CDC to analyze data collected by the CDC or other public organizations for the purpose of understanding whether vaccines are associated with an increased risk of autism. There are still more questions than answers, and I appreciate that so many families are looking for answers from the scientific community.
My colleagues and supervisors at the CDC have been entirely professional since this matter became public. In fact, I received a performance-based award after this story came out. I have experienced no pressure or retaliation and certainly was not escorted from the building, as some have stated.
Dr. Thompson is represented by Frederick M. Morgan,Jr., Morgan Verkamp, LLC, Cincinnati, Ohio, www.morganverkamp.com.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017215782
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5572825
Also recently notable is the assessment/involvement of Dr. David L. Lewis, Senior Science Advisor to the National Whistleblowers Center and a member of its Board of Directors, and this (IMO):
http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=71&Itemid=108
National Whistleblowers Center: Meet the Whistleblowers (35)
Note: Dr. Janet Chandler (As a young attorney President Obama worked on Dr. Chandlers case. The Supreme Court upheld Dr. Chandlers lawsuit.)
National Whistleblowers Center: Meet the Whistleblowers (35)
Note: Dr. Janet Chandler (As a young attorney President Obama worked on Dr. Chandlers case. The Supreme Court upheld Dr. Chandlers lawsuit.)
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How happy do you think parents were, in the late 50's, when a polio vaccine became available...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#17
I was born in '64. I know how happy parents were about the polio, MMR and other vaccines.
REP
Oct 2014
#22
I also had the smallpox vac and was happy to get it. I have met people who survived smallpox.
Shrike47
Oct 2014
#106
Everyone that I know who has not vaccinated their children has a Masters degree or higher
Tumbulu
Oct 2014
#57
Steve Jobs was similar to an antivaxer. He waited to cure himself and then it was too late.
randome
Oct 2014
#153
Too many times people that are enormously successful in one facet of their lives believe they
Ikonoklast
Oct 2014
#183
Which explains why so many successful parents fall for the anti-vax bullshit.
zappaman
Oct 2014
#184
And it seems many such as those parents are the ones with "Indigo Children".
Ikonoklast
Oct 2014
#186
Weary sigh. The two sources I've seen promoting that meme are Dr. Nancy Snyderman & Dr. Paul Offit.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#185
not in this case. this anti vaccine shit is also a problem with college educated upper middleclass
La Lioness Priyanka
Oct 2014
#122
But everyone on DU wants to thump their chest and claim it is only the fundamentalists
Tumbulu
Oct 2014
#135
no, this is the lefts version of climate change denial. i feel like i wrote an op about this
La Lioness Priyanka
Oct 2014
#150
Some one just has to give up on, logic fails on them. One hopes that with their idiocracy they
RKP5637
Oct 2014
#4
They don't like to be compared to a cult, but that's what it looks like to me. eom
Blanks
Oct 2014
#32
Mumps causes sterility. The Illuminati don't want the kids of smart people like you to reproduce...
hunter
Oct 2014
#87
I was engaged in extensive discussions on Facebook on the 'CDC whistleblower' story...
Blanks
Oct 2014
#29
So, if you can't actually change their minds, why spend so much effort trying to?
Electric Monk
Oct 2014
#34
Google allows you to know your allies & their shifting rationalizations. Do their arguments hold up?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#113
I'd prefer another more serious unedited interview w Dr. Melinda Wharton but I haven't seen one.(nt)
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#209
Probably not even then. I can easily see a paranoid conspiracy theory being spun...
Silent3
Oct 2014
#68
LOL. The US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court paid out $276,424,636.81 in fiscal year 2013.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#79
I said "Regardless of the source of the injury." Please reread my post, thanks. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#97
If there's a statement you'd like to challenge, please quote it directly, thanks. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#104
No such connection therein stated or implied, as demonstrated once already. Please read carefully:
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#108
Unsupported & easily disproven talking points do not a thorough refutation make.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#152
Since 1989, the US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court has paid $2,857,926,807.60 in damages.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#81
every parent is given information about the vaccine injury fund when they consent to vaccination.
missingthebigdog
Oct 2014
#134
$2,857,926,807.60 in vaccine injury damage awards should give you your answer. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#154
You really don't understand the difference between science and courts of any kind, do you?
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#161
Are you from Maine? Seen this Op-Ed? Don't be afraid to read in full & please check out links, too.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#92
Here on DU, one's decisions about one's body belong to the Pompous Brigade,
closeupready
Oct 2014
#93
Chris Mooney is a 37 yo Yalie; here's an older Yalie, Dan Olmsted. Each earned BA degree in English.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#98
The editorializing in Mooney's article is unsupported & offensive. The study is worth reading, OTOH.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#126
Do you regard as problematic everyone on earth except those following the exact 2014 CDC schedule?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#101
I like accuracy. Please point out a concrete example of "misdirection/half-truths about vaccination"
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#116
CDC Whistleblower Text Exchange With Mrs. Wakefield: “Your husband’s career was unjustly damaged..."
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#124
Keep trying. Wakefield is a fraud and continues to be a dangerous asshat...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#125
AUTISM SPEAKS: Regressive Autism Reported Twice as Often among African American Children
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#138
Anti-vax bullshit should get a poster banned, under the Crazy Talk part of the TOS...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#149
Dr Gorski read the following & provided comments. Skim it, skip the parts you regard as insufferable
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#166
#CDCwhistleblower #hearthiswell - unreported in the MSM, but not credible? Really? (nt)
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#174
Worth the automatic hide and thread lock-out for citing blacklisted site, HuckleB; this is tedious.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#171
Why are you spamming debunked nonsense, and making baseless claims about other items?
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#173
My youngest brother got measles and chicken pox at the same time. He almost died.
appleannie1
Oct 2014
#103
Yes, Quarantine all those who should be vaccinated and are not. They pose a risk to public health
on point
Oct 2014
#190
You misunderstand. The can leave quarantine anytime they like. Get vaccinated or get sick.
on point
Oct 2014
#199
If one does not challenge their claims, those who do not know enough can be conned.
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#175
Are you calling these Harvard & other MDs baseless names & suggesting they should be made pariahs?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#207
Seems it would take plenty convincing for someone to even become an anti-vaxxer in the first place
JonLP24
Oct 2014
#200
All Anti Vaxers should be sentenced to spend at least one day in the late fifties.
alphafemale
Oct 2014
#205