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exboyfil

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15. What standard to use for ploughing through 20,000
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:32 AM
Apr 2012

applicants for 2,000 spots? I frankly would be happy if the ACT was eliminated so that my 4.0 daughter (who would stay 4.0 by selective picking of future courses) could get scholarships currently 33 ACT students get. She is projected to score in the 24-27 range.

Do you honestly think that someone that scores in the teens on the Math section of the ACT would succeed in Enginnering?

Be careful about that 1,000 figure. I investigated just a few schools on the Fair Test website, and I found them in error (UT Austin, University of Northern Iowa as two examples). Read the application literature on the schools' website. Privates are a whole different matter, and I have no comment on them because they have absolutely no meaning in my life (for example while Harvard would cost us less than the University of Iowa - if my daugther got into Harvard she would probably get a very generous scholarship to Iowa). My daughter is going to one of the three state universities.

The institutions that matter most in the argument about test scores are the large public universities that serve as the backbone of post secondary education in the U.S. The UC system is a special case, and I do like the suggestion of, if you are in the top 10% of your public High School graduating class, you are into the system irrespective of test scores, extracurriculars, etc. You still have the issue as to what to do with out of staters, private school, and homeschooled candidates. Private school admissions is a fool's game anyway. They can admit for whatever reason they want. A far more interesting perspective would be looking at the University of Virginia for example in which many 4.0 in state students get turned away - that should never happen at a state school.

I threw in Sanger because the SAT was bashed because of a link with eugenics. Same argument could be made for Sanger (and by implication Planned Parenthood). Whatever the origin of something its current merits should be considered (anyone ever here of Volkswagen?).

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Eugentists also wore clothes and ate food, should we stop that too? Kurska Apr 2012 #1
+1. TheWraith Apr 2012 #2
And when a "tool" begins life for the specific Union Scribe Apr 2012 #3
The first serious anti-smoking campaigns were created by the Nazis. TheWraith Apr 2012 #4
Testing was used by eugenicists to rank & categorize populations in order to distribute benefit and HiPointDem Apr 2012 #8
You don't seem to understand the concept of the genetic fallacy. TheWraith Apr 2012 #34
You don't seem to understand my reasoning. It has nothing to do with the genetic fallacy. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36
I prefer to criticise ST because it sucks, not because I like the genetic fallacy. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #32
This is an overly simplistic and distorted "history" unc70 Apr 2012 #5
and "who gets into elite colleges" has no relation to the eugenics movement? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #6
No, the tests are not some ploy to maintain control unc70 Apr 2012 #17
Of course they are. The impulse to sort, categorize and rank human beings for the purpose of HiPointDem Apr 2012 #19
That the instruments (tests in this case) are misused ... unc70 Apr 2012 #24
The entire impulse for the extension of testing is to do these things. And always was; to rank, HiPointDem Apr 2012 #25
There is no point in discussing this further with you unc70 Apr 2012 #28
I may know more about the subject than you imagine. So I am not surprised that you call HiPointDem Apr 2012 #29
I stand by my earlier assessment unc70 Apr 2012 #45
Yep. Also, responses #1 and #20. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #31
where is the test that shows this SwampG8r Apr 2012 #7
Well said quaker bill Apr 2012 #11
You're right. It's a talent you learn to spot. Noodleboy13 Apr 2012 #35
one of us one of us SwampG8r Apr 2012 #44
K & R! proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #9
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #10
Need I mention Margaret Sanger? exboyfil Apr 2012 #12
We don't need an alternative obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #13
What standard to use for ploughing through 20,000 exboyfil Apr 2012 #15
A lot of people were eugenicists before 1945. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #14
If you think standardized testing is okay, proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #16
Maybe the tests were accurate, but the special education helped them? Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #38
I don't understand your point about special ed proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #39
why do we need the MCATs? some future doctors may not do well Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #18
As. Did. Birth. Control. Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #20
You mean lysol douches? Quantess Apr 2012 #21
No, Margaret Sanger (and I have no problem with her efforts) Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #22
Oh. Well yes, she was a champion of access to birth control for poor women. Quantess Apr 2012 #23
other motivating factors: HiPointDem Apr 2012 #30
Birth control didn't originate in the eugenics movement. The promotion of birth control for the HiPointDem Apr 2012 #27
Exactly. Thank you for putting it so concisely. Quantess Apr 2012 #33
Alternatives? n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #26
I'm going to guess that those tests have been changed over the years. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #37
Cultural bias has been found repeatedly in standardized tests proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #40
Not true. Some people have found bias. The tests... Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #46
As for what I think we should do instead - proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #41
What about for everyone else? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #42
Portfolio assessment would work well for elementary proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #43
I don't think that should be in the hands of teachers. Talk about bias. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #47
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