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KitSileya

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145. And I didn't think you meant it as a slur.

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:26 AM

Oct 2014

However, the use of 'female' instead of woman is dehumanizing, and I like to point it out when I see such language. Most often it is used without thinking, and that means that we need to get people to think about it. Words don't have one definite meaning regardless of the context. An 85-year old black man saying "Now, don't get smart with me, boy" to his 60-year old son has not used a racial slur. A white 85-year old man saying the same thing to a 60-year old black man he doesn't know has. Calling a black woman angry has different connotations than calling a white woman angry, and so on.

I fully believe that you are anti-gamergate, that you are not sexist, and that you didn't intend to be sexist. However, using 'female' to refer to a woman in general conversation is sexist language.

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Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats [View all] sufrommich Oct 2014 OP

Appalling. cyberswede Oct 2014 #1

How dare SHE create a successful game. Exactly. n/t Triana Oct 2014 #14

How dare SHE create a successful game--exposing the abject life failures of those gamers. nt TheBlackAdder Oct 2014 #154

Oh, I'm sure it's just a few 12-year-olds "blowing off steam". bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #2

It's a whole "movement" Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2014 #24

Yes. Thank you for posting this - it really needs to be said. KitSileya Oct 2014 #29

You're welcome. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2014 #45

It's not just one daredtowork Oct 2014 #83

Well said. That's all for now, I'll try to get back on this. freshwest Oct 2014 #64

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #65

"white...and a lot of Asian males"? Oh, honey uppityperson Oct 2014 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #67

It's interesting which threads bring in the one post sufrommich Oct 2014 #68

It's hilarious how these "superior" people have nothing better to do than troll discussion forums. arcane1 Oct 2014 #69

Lack of imagination? greatauntoftriplets Oct 2014 #71

My Articles daredtowork Oct 2014 #81

Yeah...note the "Men's Rights" Point of view comes from Breitbart.com? Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2014 #82

In my post I underscored that source daredtowork Oct 2014 #85

That line about ethics in gaming media confused me at first sweetloukillbot Oct 2014 #102

Notice they started with Zoe Quinn? Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2014 #117

We did disavow it Hayabusa Oct 2014 #113

Except for the fact that your claims against Zoe Quinn have proven to be false. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2014 #116

"Abandon this Crusade." No. Hayabusa Oct 2014 #128

"journalistic ethics"? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #130

Yep, you got me! Hayabusa Oct 2014 #132

Plenty of women hate women. kcr Oct 2014 #167

It's a right wing movement and anyone who spends anytime sufrommich Oct 2014 #133

I see criticism of a brand of feminism Hayabusa Oct 2014 #136

No,it's pretty much feminism in general ,stop whitewashing this "movement". sufrommich Oct 2014 #143

we hear that often from men. a "brand" of feminism. that would be anything that may step on mans toe seabeyond Oct 2014 #146

Yep. More info here: sufrommich Oct 2014 #149

why not acknowledging and going after in their group, instead of saying... not me? that is the seabeyond Oct 2014 #153

No no no! It's all about "journalistic ethics". Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #156

I would agree on all of this except that I don't believe Adam Baldwin is related to the other seaglass Oct 2014 #140

Thanks for the info. Not a Baldwin brother. nt sufrommich Oct 2014 #144

agree, not to long ago, people like Palin had twitter 'classes' & RW started spamming the R agenda. Sunlei Oct 2014 #142

Don't Forget "Justice Warrior" daredtowork Oct 2014 #175

i wonder where justice warrior originated. we started hearing it on here. i thought cool. it was seabeyond Oct 2014 #183

WTF! City Lights Oct 2014 #3

WTF? etherealtruth Oct 2014 #4

So, I wonder how many gunz this Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #5

Most PC gamers are in their 20s and 30s. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #25

How does Rome 2 compare to TW:Rome, ie Rome I? EX500rider Oct 2014 #35

Obviously a far more advanced graphics engine. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #37

RTS? Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #36

Real Time Strategy. Games like Age of Empires, Command and Conquer, Starcraft, etc. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #38

Are you getting the Borderlands Pre Sequel this Tuesday? Skeeter Barnes Oct 2014 #39

I am. bravenak Oct 2014 #40

Yes! Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #43

I can't decide who to start with. Might just go with Claptrap but the others look fun too. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2014 #46

Already have it ordered and downloaded... SidDithers Oct 2014 #47

Mark this date on the calander. Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #49

Whaaaattttt? blackspade Oct 2014 #106

Do you play Dayz if you do this is my server.... stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #124

(Starts flame war about Civ 5 vs. previous versions) (nt) jeff47 Oct 2014 #92

Civ Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee daredtowork Oct 2014 #96

It takes getting used to. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #118

Yep, looking forward to trying it out. jeff47 Oct 2014 #164

playing EQ1 & 2 for over a decade, about half the gamers are female & most are adults. Sunlei Oct 2014 #139

Why would she flee her home? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #6

... SidDithers Oct 2014 #10

LOL DanTex Oct 2014 #13

so. like fuggin day one. seabeyond Oct 2014 #18

Yup. Been obvious from the outset...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #19

same with one other. i asked, but he doesnt want to tell me. sigh.... ah well. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #20

Hehehe!!! bravenak Oct 2014 #41

Because it takes time to track down the idiot who wrote this mythology Oct 2014 #42

Um...because someone threatened to kill her and knows her address? Rex Oct 2014 #50

She should stay home and wait for the police to figure out who it is, then arrest them? arcane1 Oct 2014 #70

I saw this retweeted on Twitter last night. There are some really fucked up scary men out seaglass Oct 2014 #7

The product of a diseased mind. malthaussen Oct 2014 #8

it's easy to see in comments on other mass websites, not game related BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #73

WTF? IronLionZion Oct 2014 #9

because they hate women. because they are weak, and cowardly, and it makes them feel like they are seabeyond Oct 2014 #12

Because they think they can remain anonymous forever. marble falls Oct 2014 #26

I hate bullies IronLionZion Oct 2014 #44

ya??? get the dweebs counciling? how about fuckin prosecuting their ass and throw it in jail.... seabeyond Oct 2014 #58

Imo, dotymed Oct 2014 #56

of course it is not a man. it is a weak coward. hey women on du.... how many have had this SHIT seabeyond Oct 2014 #59

Power and self-centered jeff47 Oct 2014 #91

Kathy Sierra explains it well catrose Oct 2014 #103

there are some sick human beings in this world....sick, sick, sick spanone Oct 2014 #11

instaspam of twitter brings out the worse in some people Sunlei Oct 2014 #15

In the article I posted earlier catrose Oct 2014 #115

good article! twitter trolls are not anonymous.Death threats will result in police charges. Sunlei Oct 2014 #135

I posted that as well with little response Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #182

Didn't get much response myself... catrose Oct 2014 #186

has anyone been arrested? barbtries Oct 2014 #16

Women in sports used to get this kind of treatment. Now it's women in gaming... DesertDiamond Oct 2014 #17

Gamers can be nasty, vicious people. Jester Messiah Oct 2014 #21

Internet culture in general is pretty vile. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #33

I used to do On line chat in a 3 d world... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #57

Usually, you can find guilds and similar organizations in MMORPGs jeff47 Oct 2014 #94

Isn't making death threats against the law? I don't think the First Amendment KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #22

Direct threats of imminent violence/harm are not protected. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #31

I hope so. I'm all in favor of vigorous and spirited debate, but KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #32

That would be my guess. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #34

These terrorists hide behind anonymizers jmowreader Oct 2014 #87

They probably weren't that sophisticated. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #88

I'm laying odds on the 15 year old brother daredtowork Oct 2014 #100

It is, but it can be hard to track down. jeff47 Oct 2014 #95

Interesting. These threats seem specific enough (esp. the one with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #99

The target's easy to find - they're going to the police, after all. jeff47 Oct 2014 #104

Is it cynical of me.... Adrahil Oct 2014 #112

It's primarily a jurisdiction problem. jeff47 Oct 2014 #163

laws need to be made to address this issue. bring law to 2015. that simple. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #165

Yes, a federal law will make it somewhat easier jeff47 Oct 2014 #166

Anyone who still supports Gamergate is supporting this. KitSileya Oct 2014 #23

Thank you and well said. nt sufrommich Oct 2014 #51

Looks at Watch and Waits for the Usual Trolls daredtowork Oct 2014 #89

Hardly... Oktober Oct 2014 #185

I confess that I was totally ignorant of this whole scene, Gamergate & all. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #27

same here eom LittleGirl Oct 2014 #30

There have been several attempts to post about it here daredtowork Oct 2014 #90

Same here. blackspade Oct 2014 #107

That could be a very interesting discussion. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #109

Someone just shared this information with me, from a book by Charles Eisenstein classof56 Oct 2014 #28

Point your grandson at Corey Doctorow's "For the Win" Retrograde Oct 2014 #62

Thanks so much for recommending Doctorow's book. classof56 Oct 2014 #74

There's a documentary about this, too daredtowork Oct 2014 #93

I know very little about gaming, and I thought the book was great n/t eridani Oct 2014 #122

Sounds like someone wishes to spend the rest of their life in prison. Rex Oct 2014 #48

Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats Veilex Oct 2014 #52

" targeting feminists/feminism"".... seabeyond Oct 2014 #60

Account suspended on Twitter... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #53

Asshole needs to see the inside of a prison. Rex Oct 2014 #54

Yeh, let the gamer play in the dust yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #55

they need to start sending these men to jail. we NEED to change law, to specifically address seabeyond Oct 2014 #61

This perpetrator needs to go to prison for a long time WestSideStory Oct 2014 #63

The Internet has revealed just how many men there are who are outraged about Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #72

Women can't post ANYTHING on the Internet without this kind of shit Number23 Oct 2014 #75

+1. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #76

it's like the Tea Party of the gaming world NewJeffCT Oct 2014 #77

there's DUers who are afraid of women Skittles Oct 2014 #131

DU Mods Proclaimed Gamergate Matters IRRELEVANT to DU daredtowork Oct 2014 #78

Come here first you pasty little runt. alphafemale Oct 2014 #79

Hard to find words strong enough for that... 99Forever Oct 2014 #80

K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Oct 2014 #84

I know I am officially old now. cwydro Oct 2014 #86

Think about how people treat each other over when they take high school sports jeff47 Oct 2014 #97

I see no reason why the person who wrote that should ever see the outside of a prison cell geek tragedy Oct 2014 #98

amy Hennig DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #101

Great female what in gaming? KitSileya Oct 2014 #114

In the sentence above, females is the noun. nt NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #119

Pretty much all mammals have females. KitSileya Oct 2014 #125

I honestly never got that hung over over male/female vs Men/Women. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #126

I think scientists, sexists, and Ferengi are the only ones who still use 'female' KitSileya Oct 2014 #127

You are making this into something it isn't. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #129

And I disagree. KitSileya Oct 2014 #151

Guess we'll have to disagree. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #157

WTF? I wish I could get that 30 seconds of my life back joeglow3 Oct 2014 #161

I sed female because DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #141

Woman is not wrong. KitSileya Oct 2014 #147

interesting. you are teaching me something. i think most society teaches especially men not to use seabeyond Oct 2014 #150

Infantilize her, or constrain her within outdated notions of 'proper behavior'. KitSileya Oct 2014 #155

exactly. i could remember very young balking at lady. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #158

My standard reply to being called a lady is, jen63 Oct 2014 #179

funny you say that DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #168

ok, not meant as a slur DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #138

And I didn't think you meant it as a slur. KitSileya Oct 2014 #145

because of this argument, i now use girl/women often enough. but i used female when i seabeyond Oct 2014 #148

I appreciate that DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #170

Yeah, these cretins need to be run out of the gaming community on rails, KitSileya Oct 2014 #172

amen DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Oct 2014 #160

The entire gaming community is full of little man-children who pitch fits over stupid things. chrisa Oct 2014 #159

The irony is I bet you don't see how judgmental and stereotyping your post is. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #162

I am a gamer and gamergate is embarrassing to me. chrisa Oct 2014 #174

You are talking about, at best, 50% of 1%. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #178

The majority of gamers are also casuals who don't care about any of this. chrisa Oct 2014 #187

what an asshole. blackspade Oct 2014 #105

Seriously WTF is wrong with some people? Initech Oct 2014 #108

this person said DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #110

K&R! burrowowl Oct 2014 #111

Trolls must think they're unaccounta,....I mean cops. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #120

Ya know, I'm a heavy gamer JesterCS Oct 2014 #121

Death to Brianna = The 40-Year-Old Virgin Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #123

I've never understood the fixation with these games. redstatebluegirl Oct 2014 #134

everybody has addictions DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #169

That poor guy! daredtowork Oct 2014 #180

Yikes! ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #137

Where is the NSA when this crap is going on? Ash_F Oct 2014 #152

Gamers are some of the rudest jackasses around Calista241 Oct 2014 #171

Centipede derby378 Oct 2014 #176

I'm for using the state and federal stalking laws against the people who do this. stevenleser Oct 2014 #177

What in the blue hifiguy Oct 2014 #181

Assholes on the internet.... Oktober Oct 2014 #184

Saying there is a "gaming community" is like saying there is a "TV-watching community" Bonobo Oct 2014 #188

Gawker Brings the Hammer Down on GamerGate daredtowork Oct 2014 #189