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magical thyme

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4. note the difference in coverings of the biohazard suit with negative pressure hood

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:08 AM

Oct 2014

and splash guard down to the wrist level. A worker who will shower in a chlorine wash in a decontamination room and undress with assistance.

The worker in Africa completely covered with 3-4 pairs of gloves. Who dressed with a spotter, will be showered in chlorine wash and undress with assistance.

Ebola clearly required extraordinary precautions that are not available to ordinary hospitals.

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"The nurse breached protocol" [View all] magical thyme Oct 2014 OP

Proper training is the problem. The equipment does what it's designed to do. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #1

I've had gram stain permeate my gloves on 2 occasions magical thyme Oct 2014 #2

It worked fine for HIV Warpy Oct 2014 #33

Protocols are no damned good Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #3

note the difference in coverings of the biohazard suit with negative pressure hood magical thyme Oct 2014 #4

A student nurse in Africa made her protective wear from trash bags, rubber gloves and Malraiders Oct 2014 #5

and the student nurse wasn't doing the kind of risky procedures the Dallas nurse magical thyme Oct 2014 #7

The student nurse in Africa was caring for 4 of her Malraiders Oct 2014 #15

the student nurse did not intubate her patients, nor did she remove intubation, nor did she magical thyme Oct 2014 #17

No. Hospital policy sets the permissions for the nurses to Malraiders Oct 2014 #20

What source do you want? LisaL Oct 2014 #27

The fact that CDC is investigating to see if the Dallas nurse was involved and was exposed during Malraiders Oct 2014 #35

If she wasn't there during the procedures, why would CDC suggest she could have been infected LisaL Oct 2014 #36

The edit that I posted that you may have missed: Malraiders Oct 2014 #38

No, it wouldn't be logical. LisaL Oct 2014 #41

as I initially wrote, she may have been involved in some of those procedures magical thyme Oct 2014 #40

and here is a 2nd source. The second nurse catheterized and drew his blood. magical thyme Oct 2014 #50

She wasn't doing the same risky procedures. LisaL Oct 2014 #26

The dedication of Africias medical care givers is Heroic. Sunlei Oct 2014 #11

There are some people who have immunity to Ebola. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

Can't have some uppity nurse trying to sue her employer SoCalDem Oct 2014 #6

What does her spotter/helper say? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #8

I'm guessing they don't have "spotter/helpers" in the hospital setting magical thyme Oct 2014 #10

That was my guess too.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #13

Back in the day a "spotter" was required for all folk working in isolation etherealtruth Oct 2014 #22

doubt thehair/skin is exposed like in the pic. 'mistakes' happen, even with the best medical people. Sunlei Oct 2014 #9

What is interesting is that the people who work on Ebola in the lab Savannahmann Oct 2014 #12

there are different types of masks for different purposes magical thyme Oct 2014 #14

at the root of the problem: understaffing and underpaying caregivers. librechik Oct 2014 #16

And at the root of both: greed. A profit-driven hospital's desire to maintain profits instead of Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #37

If there is 10 minutes of training, my guess is that is where the infuffiency lies.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #18

Another pic from Nebraska Biocontainment Unit LeftInTX Oct 2014 #19

If nurse in Dallas was folloing CDC guidelines, then she didn't have this type of PPE. LisaL Oct 2014 #25

Yes, I agree LeftInTX Oct 2014 #34

Do you have a link where the CDC said the nurse breached protocol? morningfog Oct 2014 #21

Who would breach it if not the nurse? LisaL Oct 2014 #24

The protocol could be breached institutionally. morningfog Oct 2014 #28

Look a the PPEs in the guidelines and tell me they are adequate. LisaL Oct 2014 #30

That has nothing to do with whether the CDC morningfog Oct 2014 #31

of course they said it 3rd person. magical thyme Oct 2014 #39

I am with you. LisaL Oct 2014 #23

Just heard on CNBC that CDC is backing off lovuian Oct 2014 #32

I never took the remark as a slam at the nurse. Vinca Oct 2014 #42

No, it's not obvious. LisaL Oct 2014 #43

How would they know? They weren't there. Vinca Oct 2014 #44

My guess would be by questioning her HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #48

if the protocol is inadequate then it's not a breach of protocol, it's inadequate protocol. magical thyme Oct 2014 #45

German hospital: UN medical worker dies of Ebola SidDithers Oct 2014 #46

You have no idea how he was infected, do you? LisaL Oct 2014 #47

exactly what LisaL wrote above. Just as Brantly and Writebol may have picked it up from a magical thyme Oct 2014 #49