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10. I'm guessing they don't have "spotter/helpers" in the hospital setting

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:30 AM

Oct 2014

I know we don't ordinarily do that where I work, and are so short-staffed already we probably couldn't.
We also don't have decontamination exit and undress areas, although maybe they set something like that up for Duncan.

In Africa, they have an entrance only and an exit only into the decontamination area. Same thing in the BSL-4 research labs.

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"The nurse breached protocol" [View all] magical thyme Oct 2014 OP

Proper training is the problem. The equipment does what it's designed to do. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #1

I've had gram stain permeate my gloves on 2 occasions magical thyme Oct 2014 #2

It worked fine for HIV Warpy Oct 2014 #33

Protocols are no damned good Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #3

note the difference in coverings of the biohazard suit with negative pressure hood magical thyme Oct 2014 #4

A student nurse in Africa made her protective wear from trash bags, rubber gloves and Malraiders Oct 2014 #5

and the student nurse wasn't doing the kind of risky procedures the Dallas nurse magical thyme Oct 2014 #7

The student nurse in Africa was caring for 4 of her Malraiders Oct 2014 #15

the student nurse did not intubate her patients, nor did she remove intubation, nor did she magical thyme Oct 2014 #17

No. Hospital policy sets the permissions for the nurses to Malraiders Oct 2014 #20

What source do you want? LisaL Oct 2014 #27

The fact that CDC is investigating to see if the Dallas nurse was involved and was exposed during Malraiders Oct 2014 #35

If she wasn't there during the procedures, why would CDC suggest she could have been infected LisaL Oct 2014 #36

The edit that I posted that you may have missed: Malraiders Oct 2014 #38

No, it wouldn't be logical. LisaL Oct 2014 #41

as I initially wrote, she may have been involved in some of those procedures magical thyme Oct 2014 #40

and here is a 2nd source. The second nurse catheterized and drew his blood. magical thyme Oct 2014 #50

She wasn't doing the same risky procedures. LisaL Oct 2014 #26

The dedication of Africias medical care givers is Heroic. Sunlei Oct 2014 #11

There are some people who have immunity to Ebola. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

Can't have some uppity nurse trying to sue her employer SoCalDem Oct 2014 #6

What does her spotter/helper say? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #8

I'm guessing they don't have "spotter/helpers" in the hospital setting magical thyme Oct 2014 #10

That was my guess too.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #13

Back in the day a "spotter" was required for all folk working in isolation etherealtruth Oct 2014 #22

doubt thehair/skin is exposed like in the pic. 'mistakes' happen, even with the best medical people. Sunlei Oct 2014 #9

What is interesting is that the people who work on Ebola in the lab Savannahmann Oct 2014 #12

there are different types of masks for different purposes magical thyme Oct 2014 #14

at the root of the problem: understaffing and underpaying caregivers. librechik Oct 2014 #16

And at the root of both: greed. A profit-driven hospital's desire to maintain profits instead of Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #37

If there is 10 minutes of training, my guess is that is where the infuffiency lies.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #18

Another pic from Nebraska Biocontainment Unit LeftInTX Oct 2014 #19

If nurse in Dallas was folloing CDC guidelines, then she didn't have this type of PPE. LisaL Oct 2014 #25

Yes, I agree LeftInTX Oct 2014 #34

Do you have a link where the CDC said the nurse breached protocol? morningfog Oct 2014 #21

Who would breach it if not the nurse? LisaL Oct 2014 #24

The protocol could be breached institutionally. morningfog Oct 2014 #28

Look a the PPEs in the guidelines and tell me they are adequate. LisaL Oct 2014 #30

That has nothing to do with whether the CDC morningfog Oct 2014 #31

of course they said it 3rd person. magical thyme Oct 2014 #39

I am with you. LisaL Oct 2014 #23

Just heard on CNBC that CDC is backing off lovuian Oct 2014 #32

I never took the remark as a slam at the nurse. Vinca Oct 2014 #42

No, it's not obvious. LisaL Oct 2014 #43

How would they know? They weren't there. Vinca Oct 2014 #44

My guess would be by questioning her HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #48

if the protocol is inadequate then it's not a breach of protocol, it's inadequate protocol. magical thyme Oct 2014 #45

German hospital: UN medical worker dies of Ebola SidDithers Oct 2014 #46

You have no idea how he was infected, do you? LisaL Oct 2014 #47

exactly what LisaL wrote above. Just as Brantly and Writebol may have picked it up from a magical thyme Oct 2014 #49