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Xithras

(16,191 posts)
35. The poster is correct.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:11 PM
Oct 2014

The HHS requires employers who self-insure to offer plans that meet a "minimum value" threshold, and provides tools that allow them to tailor plans that just barely meet that minimum. As it turns out, if they offer a policy with very low deductibles, low copays, and a few other "optional" coverage's, they can meet the requirements WITHOUT offering hospitalization coverage...which tends to be the most expensive insurance feature for employers. Insurance companies are now starting to offer employers what they call "Minimum Value Plans" which just meet the bare minimums under the ACA and don't offer hospitalization coverage.

The real bonus for employers is that it can often cost absolutely nothing. Because the ACA simply requires that plans not exceed 9.5% of an employees wages, and because most of these minimum value plans only cost a couple hundred dollars a month, the employer can often pass on 100% of the healthcare cost to the employee. The only costs to the employer lay in the administrative overhead to manage the whole thing.

The employer satisfies the letter of the law, and the employee is stuck spending hundreds of dollars a month on shit insurance that won't offer a bit of help. Even worse, because the employer offers a legally compliant plan, the employees are also unable to buy better insurance on the exchange.

The ACA is what you get when you let insurance industry hacks drive health reform. Nobody should be surprised to find these kinds of loopholes.

This can't possibly be true Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #1
To be fair, it's too early to assess the effects of ACA spooky3 Oct 2014 #3
While that may be true, Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #6
I definitely agree that we need good, open debate. spooky3 Oct 2014 #32
Results are gonna vary, but my ACA covered over $500,000 in costs this year. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #59
Right. Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #68
it absolutely is the fault of the ACA. Doctor_J Oct 2014 #69
No, ACA is a law cynzke Oct 2014 #71
The discovery that ACA allows insurance to meet requirements but doesn't cover hospitalization HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #7
Huh? ramapo Oct 2014 #21
The poster is correct. Xithras Oct 2014 #35
Now, now. To be fair, many have finally agreed that ACA is just a start. progressoid Oct 2014 #12
It's coming! Just make sure to keep investing in health insurance corporations. raouldukelives Oct 2014 #33
ACA was just another bill of goods arranged by a group ballyhoo Oct 2014 #25
You typed first! yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #38
I'm one of the millions who fall through the cracks. Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #48
NO, Not a lie. cynzke Oct 2014 #70
There should be no contractual discounting of pipoman Oct 2014 #2
My doc offers the same rate to a self pay patient that is agreed to for ins. co's and medicare. napi21 Oct 2014 #53
it is legalized extortion is what it is Skittles Oct 2014 #4
it is legalized extortion is what it is AlbertCat Oct 2014 #23
Bingo . nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #26
+1000 raven mad Oct 2014 #43
That is criminal, but not unusual. A relative of mine LibDemAlways Oct 2014 #60
People Have NO CLUE! cynzke Oct 2014 #74
It's not just the big stuff either AlbertCat Oct 2014 #77
+ a zillion! LongTomH Oct 2014 #50
...^ that 840high Oct 2014 #61
Actually it is much worst than that mrdmk Oct 2014 #62
Can't Be Said Enough. cynzke Oct 2014 #73
Do insurance companies actually give you health care? No! AlbertCat Oct 2014 #78
The industry has worked out procedures to guarantee maximum return seabeckind Oct 2014 #5
Your experience is odd to me. brer cat Oct 2014 #10
The area has 3 medical networks. seabeckind Oct 2014 #18
yes same for me drray23 Oct 2014 #55
Kaiser Medicare Advantage Plan cynzke Oct 2014 #76
K&R!! marym625 Oct 2014 #8
even medicare won't cover all the costs. deafskeptic Oct 2014 #9
Good point about the deductible, brer cat Oct 2014 #11
This happened to me, not as much money but enough. redstatebluegirl Oct 2014 #13
We're you refunded the money you did pay? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #39
Yes, it took 6 weeks redstatebluegirl Oct 2014 #46
I think often these "assistant" doctors are in training, vanlassie Oct 2014 #56
You have to ask yourself... cynzke Oct 2014 #75
I look a lot like that chart. progressoid Oct 2014 #14
The health care and health insurance industry is still a disaster bigwillq Oct 2014 #15
Agreed, it is exceptionally flawed. littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #17
Not-for-profit bigwillq Oct 2014 #24
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #16
I don't think that would solve the problem seabeckind Oct 2014 #19
All the existing single payer systems come in with a wonderful savings Enthusiast Oct 2014 #47
$117,000 for an “assistant surgeon?" KansDem Oct 2014 #20
Perhaps a highly skilled specialist in a rare aspect of the surgery being performed? CTyankee Oct 2014 #22
Just a hint for any here who run into a situation such as this. WillowTree Oct 2014 #27
Good info. Thank you! Egnever Oct 2014 #45
Health and education - two of the many things I think government should provide for it's citizens. CrispyQ Oct 2014 #28
i have been going ot this urgent care. with whole family.. get an xray and a month later a bill, seabeyond Oct 2014 #29
What would be the point....... WillowTree Oct 2014 #31
a doctor, that we are seeing, that takes care of the issue, reads it and then seabeyond Oct 2014 #34
Your x-rays have almost always been read by a radiologist.......for the last 40 years or more. WillowTree Oct 2014 #40
Wow willow. I was appreciating the info until the unwarranted snark at the end seabeyond Oct 2014 #41
I understand that many x-rays are read by radiologists in India, No Vested Interest Oct 2014 #65
We've become a nation of debt slavery. Initech Oct 2014 #30
I am still paying off debt from the 2013/2012 insurance premiums. uppityperson Oct 2014 #36
So the investor class can get richer. FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #37
Exactly Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #54
Grrr GummyBearz Oct 2014 #42
You got it. Wait until the premium increases ballyhoo Oct 2014 #44
'Cause we don't have single-payer? KamaAina Oct 2014 #49
America needs single payer. That's the only solution to the problem of medical debt. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #51
I was worried about the issue of out-of-network, though I didn't realize that most ER physicians pnwmom Oct 2014 #52
A patient should NEVER be subject to out-of-network charges after the fact. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #57
I agree. And if I'm ever consciously admitted to the hospital, pnwmom Oct 2014 #58
Make that "medical debt AND EDUCATION DEBT 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #63
+100000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #64
Amen to that! liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #80
The only good thing about this disgusting liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #66
Is it really completely excluded though? LAGC Oct 2014 #72
It still shows up on your credit report, but liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #79
Why did they tack on the assistant surgeon without clearing the insurance issue? flamingdem Oct 2014 #67
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