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Fumesucker

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170. I advocate everyone following their conscience

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:35 AM

Oct 2014

I would prefer people vote but that's not my choice to make for them and I can see why some people might feel their vote doesn't count or makes no difference.

Perceptions are funny things, from my perception you are trying very hard to get the "sit out the election" meme onto DU and you are trying very hard also to tie progressives to that meme.

At this point things are such a clusterfuck that neither party really wants to get a big victory, divided government gives politicians a built in excuse for breaking their promises because the other guys are so damn unreasonable, crazy even.

Go read at Discussionist, the right thinks the Democrats are being every bit as unreasonable, crazy and hypocritical as the left thinks the Republicans are. Both parties have played that meme to the max and at this point I think they'd be heartbroken to see it leave.

One thing I notice the centrists on DU have in common with the conservatives on Discussionist, they both loathe the left.

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Common Dreams: "Maybe we should sit this election out." [View all] wyldwolf Oct 2014 OP

It is during what I call happy hour BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #1

I've noticed that too... SidDithers Oct 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Oct 2014 #2

But, see, nobody reads commondreams... MineralMan Oct 2014 #3

well damn! Goal post moved again! :) wyldwolf Oct 2014 #5

Liberals read Common Dreams. For Dems it has sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #36

I don't read Common Dreams and DUers consider me practically advocating merrily Oct 2014 #51

I had an ex girlfriend steal my University diploma and move to Japan. She made a forged copy and Monk06 Oct 2014 #124

Impossible! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #4

Shit no! The next president will likely appoint two justices cheapdate Oct 2014 #6

EXACTLY.....I don't get this OWNERSHIP of the Democratic party the Far far Left feels.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #106

The Progressive Caucus has, or had, around 62 members in congress, I think. cheapdate Oct 2014 #123

I didn't say Progressives did I? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #133

They're not DU members so it doesn't count LadyHawkAZ Oct 2014 #7

NSA!!!!!! 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #8

Barry's spying on us! Barry's spying on us!! OH! He's worse than BUSH!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #38

hahahahaahaha.....its the Far Left version of BENGAAAAAZZZZZIIIII!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #107

Straight Dem ticket for me. I don't care how hard I have to pinch my nose. MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #9

Besides...... you HAVE to vote for the SANE party. AlbertCat Oct 2014 #27

There it is.....its a choice between Sanity and Insanity! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #108

strength in numbers too. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #30

100% agree Freddie Oct 2014 #74

See 2010 for what happens when people decide to sit one out. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #10

Dems did not sit out in 2010, Independents sat out, and they will again unless the Dem Party sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #37

I assure you Dems in Virginia sat out in '09 and '10... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #40

Any polling that reflects that? merrily Oct 2014 #52

This is about GOTV, not whether "the left voted." joshcryer Oct 2014 #67

Maybe I am just not seeing it, but I don't see that merrily Oct 2014 #86

Well, I've never seen it broken down that way Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #89

Yes, that was your wording. merrily Oct 2014 #92

There are more conservatives than liberals. joshcryer Oct 2014 #121

here's a start: Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #82

Please see reply 86. merrily Oct 2014 #88

I am in NY. Polls show that the majority of Progressive dems held their seats. sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #122

Well I don't see the party running any real progressives in VA for the foreseeable future Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #135

Truth. But they're setting up another lie already Union Scribe Oct 2014 #43

Same hacks use to tell LGBT to 'shut up and sit down' on DU RandiFan1290 Oct 2014 #65

I'm here. I am a Blank in NY. I won't vote. bread_and_roses Oct 2014 #134

I agree with everything you just said, B&R. As for Cuomo, I could not agree more. He is FOR sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #139

Independents voted for Republicans 55-39 and women 49-48. neverforget Oct 2014 #41

The turnout was similar to 2006. joshcryer Oct 2014 #68

The people who sit out elections are the people that Turd Way types just love to counterpose- eridani Oct 2014 #125

That wasn't a particularly easy article to find just browsing the site. I went to the front page and Chathamization Oct 2014 #11

but it was very easy using Google. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #12

Yes, but I was trying to see how visible it was on the site. The fact that you needed to Google this Chathamization Oct 2014 #14

telling of what? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #15

I guess it depends on what you think the topic du jour is. If it's "If I do a Google search I can Chathamization Oct 2014 #18

No one has said or implied "it's common." wyldwolf Oct 2014 #19

If it's not common and examples tend to come from the fringe (judging just from the comment section Chathamization Oct 2014 #20

ok, so now Commondreams doesn't count because it comes from the fringe. LOL. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #21

The pretzels they're twisting themselves into are amazing... SidDithers Oct 2014 #73

Not sure who was demanding proof of what, since you didn't bother to reply to a post asking for Chathamization Oct 2014 #87

So you're saying with a straight face you haven't seen anyone ask for proof? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #91

The question was what your point was. But I concede that you're not discussing that, so perhaps that Chathamization Oct 2014 #95

So my point was that 'progressive' sites and personalities have advised people to sit out elections wyldwolf Oct 2014 #97

Perhaps you should read the posts you linked to. None of them asked for proof that someone somewhere Chathamization Oct 2014 #117

Thanks for finding that, wyldwolf.. I never would have dreamed "common dreams" could be so damn Cha Oct 2014 #128

You can find anything you want on Google, if you only read Google. bahrbearian Oct 2014 #71

The normal Democratic search for leftist scapegoats is picking up momentum I see Fumesucker Oct 2014 #13

I don't understand Andy823 Oct 2014 #23

This is done to prime the message of who is responsible for any losses that might occur in November Fumesucker Oct 2014 #55

"Wait until after the election and you'll see ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #57

I still regularly read posts here on DU blaming 2010 on "the left" Fumesucker Oct 2014 #58

Oh, don't I know what you mean! NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #59

They'll smile in your face Fumesucker Oct 2014 #60

Yeah, the Back-Stabbers ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #61

Research shows they are more likely to be the wealthy and powerful Fumesucker Oct 2014 #63

Yep, ratfuckers are prime time entertainment and rec generators on DU. JTFrog Oct 2014 #66

.+1000 Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #96

Oh, you SO nailed it Number23 Oct 2014 #193

Ya know ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #113

"They can nail themselves to the cross all by themselves, thank you very much. ". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #64

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #112

Link to "centrists stayed home in 2010"? joshcryer Oct 2014 #69

That's exactly what I was thinking about... SidDithers Oct 2014 #75

Did you say link? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #177

So the activist left failed to appeal to the moderates. joshcryer Oct 2014 #194

What the fuck? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #196

"there's an actual living breathing Fox News personality on this very thread" OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #81

Somehow I don't think Kookinich would be bashing the left Fumesucker Oct 2014 #105

But he's a Fox News Personality. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #110

But the view of the OP article was that treestar Oct 2014 #111

Damn ... you speak toddler, well! 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #115

Not sure what the ultimate goal of it is, either. merrily Oct 2014 #90

*Sigh*.....well, this is part of the reason I became a more mainstream lefty..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #16

Tsk. Tsk. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #17

I can't believe Commondreams would post an article like that! BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #22

How to win friends and influence people. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #24

So let me get this straight. We're asked to provide proof and when we do... wyldwolf Oct 2014 #25

With friends like that... JaneyVee Oct 2014 #26

Listen to these a--holes and you will fall further behind.. Historic NY Oct 2014 #28

commondream will post anything as far as i can tell. mopinko Oct 2014 #29

Who is ths hospital administrator who wrote a piece for politico on Sept. 9? rwheeler31 Oct 2014 #31

Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me five times, what do you expect us to do? whereisjustice Oct 2014 #32

It's worked before JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #76

Hello? ReRe Oct 2014 #33

are you suggesting it is easier to let 100s of thousands of latino voters vote Republican whereisjustice Oct 2014 #34

Wow, what did I ever do to you? ReRe Oct 2014 #44

You don't understand that the Latino community is very conservative, many liked Bush whereisjustice Oct 2014 #46

You need to sit down, my friend... ReRe Oct 2014 #48

And while the Dems "pay a price at the polls" CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #35

Hmmm, Latino's watched Obama agree to "pony up" nearly 4 billion dollars to pay whereisjustice Oct 2014 #39

I'm a math realist. No threat here. SOMEONE is going to win the election. CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #45

I think that when Obama won his first term, credit went to conservatives/independents whereisjustice Oct 2014 #47

You didn't answer her question. I'll help you out. randome Oct 2014 #93

The reality is it is easier to get people to vote for you when you actually represent them, whereisjustice Oct 2014 #94

"Childish behavior" is deliberately abdicating your right to vote CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #120

Yes indeed. They will be on a southbound bus treestar Oct 2014 #109

So you brought this here Union Scribe Oct 2014 #42

Facts don't cease to exist because they're ignored Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #127

No one, no entity nilesobek Oct 2014 #49

Commondreams should just come out and state they want repubs to take the Senate... Spazito Oct 2014 #50

In Total Agreement JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #77

+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #99

This is why I don't read Common Dreams or Firebaglake. Stupid stuff like this. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #53

Someone who helps Fox News catapult their propaganda doesn't want to hear stupid stuff? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #56

LOL bahrbearian Oct 2014 #72

ROFLMAO! Oilwellian Oct 2014 #79

Hell no I'm not sitting this one out. We have 'leaf-pickup' funding on our Purveyor Oct 2014 #54

An author just described the choice for many KitSileya Oct 2014 #62

Of course, the main people suppressing the vote are Wall St supporters. raouldukelives Oct 2014 #78

If that many progressives are saying it, LWolf Oct 2014 #80

I notice that centrists are not sympathetic to progressives but rather attack them as if that will.. L0oniX Oct 2014 #137

Yes. nt LWolf Oct 2014 #195

Common Dreams is a fairly good source but this time I think they are way off. If we set this one jwirr Oct 2014 #83

The entire article is very interesting. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #84

A lazy, cowardly way of looking at things. randome Oct 2014 #85

The bizarro world of DU wyldwolf Oct 2014 #98

So what whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #100

what concerns? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #101

Your post supports MM's hand wringing over FUD whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #102

Only in so far that "progressive" voter suppression exists. I'm certainly not concerned about it. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #103

Honestly whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #104

This. Puglover Oct 2014 #169

Not to mention "Oh well, then there must be a reason". The moving of the goalposts is pronounced. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #114

Do you have any evidence that someone said "NO ONE asked for proof or evidence"? Or is this another Chathamization Oct 2014 #119

I don't see that "Latino" = "progressive" Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #129

The trifecta will soon be complete for the "True Progs" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #116

When have progressives ever sat out elections? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #178

Not this stupid bullshit again. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #118

"She's Voting".. Cha Oct 2014 #126

MLK on Voting.. Cha Oct 2014 #130

If you sit home during the midterm elections.. these guys win .. And, These Guys Win.. and they're Cha Oct 2014 #131

If enough Latinos sit out, the Dems might start keeping their promises to them. Vattel Oct 2014 #132

Despite all the attacks on progressives here on DU I still voted straight Dem mail in ballot. L0oniX Oct 2014 #136

Shades of Gore/Bush/Nader oberliner Oct 2014 #138

Yes, much of common dreams is very good. Just like DU or DKos madfloridian Oct 2014 #140

No one is judging a whole site. Why would you say that? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #141

Does Ms Velasquez speak for Commondreams? I doubt it, her views are her own. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #142

If anyone is catapulting the "sit out the election" meme it's you and Mineral Man Fumesucker Oct 2014 #143

You certainly live up to your name. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #144

That reply says a great deal about you and nothing about me Fumesucker Oct 2014 #146

when one spouts nonsense as you've done, sucking fumes may very well be why. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #147

There's actually a word for what you are doing.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #148

Which you began with your hysterical post #143 wyldwolf Oct 2014 #149

No, your OP is pure Nutpicking Fumesucker Oct 2014 #150

My OP is exactly what 'progressives' on DU said didn't exist wyldwolf Oct 2014 #151

I never ventured an opinon as to who said or didn't say what Fumesucker Oct 2014 #154

so? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #155

The OP misses the entire point of the linked article. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #157

The OP doesn't care what the point is Fumesucker Oct 2014 #158

the OP has proven, despite what many on DU claimed, that a 'progressive' site... wyldwolf Oct 2014 #165

the entire point of the linked article was to show 'progressive' sites have suggested sitting out wyldwolf Oct 2014 #164

I advocate everyone following their conscience Fumesucker Oct 2014 #170

nice dodge of the question - but not surprising. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #171

You would advocate people not follow their conscience? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #173

Since you won't answer, the only conclusion is YOU advocate sitting out the election. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #174

The thread is here for everyone to read if they wish Fumesucker Oct 2014 #181

have the courage of your convictions. Just say you advocate sitting out the election. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #183

Of course I don't advocate sitting out the election Savannahmann Oct 2014 #189

Death is inevitable, it is just a matter of how fast. n/t PowerToThePeople Oct 2014 #145

So we should accelerate it? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #152

Some on DU are more concerned about being blamed for DEMs losing ... JoePhilly Oct 2014 #153

And Some On DU Have Already Thrown Away The Senate Liberal_Dog Oct 2014 #159

Again, who cares? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #161

Exactly. nt Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #160

Here comes the bus! adirondacker Oct 2014 #156

The article is from a month ago Faux pas Oct 2014 #162

because multiple people on DU said no 'progressive' sites are suggesting people sit out the election wyldwolf Oct 2014 #163

Well, since I missed all the previous drama Faux pas Oct 2014 #167

What is relevant is that a CD reprint of a Politico article... JHB Oct 2014 #179

CD would not have posted if it didn't meet their editorial guidelines. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #182

If "no one has said it does", why has there been the week's worth of hoopla? JHB Oct 2014 #185

because multiple people on DU said no 'progressive' sites are suggesting people sit out the election wyldwolf Oct 2014 #186

That's your view, and that's fine. Mine is that there was a lot of blame in 2010... JHB Oct 2014 #188

that's not 'my view.' It's a fact. People asked for links and evidence wyldwolf Oct 2014 #190

Boom goes the dynamite!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #192

I think it was in response to this JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #166

Thank you for Faux pas Oct 2014 #168

Sheer desperation. Another thread starter blamed progressive sites Rex Oct 2014 #172

excuse me, I gave several other examples as well - but spin on wyldwolf Oct 2014 #175

Desperation is a sad thing Faux pas Oct 2014 #180

I agree! I am somewhat surprised at all the doom and gloom threads. Rex Oct 2014 #187

No way.....too much at stake. n/t bobGandolf Oct 2014 #176

Supporting Republican victories so as to teach Dems a lesson? riqster Oct 2014 #184

That's the kind of stupid. selfish, idiotic, ignorant attitude.... Rosco T. Oct 2014 #191