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175. Krugman on why Obama is a historic success
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:53 PM
Oct 2014

When it comes to Barack Obama, I've always been out of sync. Back in 2008, when many liberals were wildly enthusiastic about his candidacy and his press was strongly favorable, I was skeptical. I worried that he was naive, that his talk about transcending the political divide was a dangerous illusion given the unyielding extremism of the modern American right.

But now the shoe is on the other foot: Obama faces trash talk left, right and center – literally – and doesn't deserve it. Despite bitter opposition, despite having come close to self-inflicted disaster, Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history. His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it's working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it's much more effective than you'd think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy.

I'll go through those achievements shortly. First, however, let's take a moment to talk about the current wave of Obama-bashing. All Obama-bashing can be divided into three types. One, a constant of his time in office, is the onslaught from the right, which has never stopped portraying him as an Islamic atheist Marxist Kenyan. Nothing has changed on that front, and nothing will.

There's a different story on the left, where you now find a significant number of critics decrying Obama as, to quote Cornel West, someone who ''posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit.'' They're outraged that Wall Street hasn't been punished, that income inequality remains so high, that ''neoliberal'' economic policies are still in place. All of this seems to rest on the belief that if only Obama had put his eloquence behind a radical economic agenda, he could somehow have gotten that agenda past all the political barriers that have con- strained even his much more modest efforts. It's hard to take such claims seriously.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

Typically, republicans have tried to detract from the president’s accomplishments." BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #1
you better believe it!!! zappaman Oct 2014 #2
How many BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #4
Imagine what could have been done zappaman Oct 2014 #18
And it's that what frustrates me the most - to put it mildly. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #70
I agree Andy823 Oct 2014 #22
+1 zappaman Oct 2014 #48
+2. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #69
Boom! You just nailed it, Andy! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #82
Yep, well said! n/t Spazito Oct 2014 #128
Agree. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #166
Didn't add much, did they? zappaman Oct 2014 #174
Good grief, you're right! They might prevent him from being re-elected! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #5
Nobody is "ignoring" those variables. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #72
In fact, I've said kudos to him on a number of occasions. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #87
You know what? I lost my job and never found another notadmblnd Oct 2014 #111
No, you are not correct. U6 accounts for discouraged workers and it has trended down dramatically stevenleser Oct 2014 #125
Let's all mass at the top of the thread and agree with one another woo me with science Oct 2014 #25
Better yet.... Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #133
Well, they never bothered with that part of it when bush/cheney was president. calimary Oct 2014 #47
Makes one wonder, doesn't it? eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #73
Indeed! calimary Oct 2014 #91
I couldn't have written it better than you, calimary! BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #117
Ratios are apparently quite hard to understand MFrohike Oct 2014 #71
Thank you. Excellent point. scarletwoman Oct 2014 #83
The article in Forbes to which the OP linked accounted for that as does the U6 unemployment measure stevenleser Oct 2014 #126
Heh MFrohike Oct 2014 #161
All the evidence proves you wrong. If you understood U-6 you would know that. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #162
Cool MFrohike Oct 2014 #164
There's a very simple explanation as to why a lot are dropping out of the labor force OnlinePoker Oct 2014 #135
The huge rise in the DOW is also helping JoePhilly Oct 2014 #153
If you have a stock portfolio the economy is fabulous Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #3
+1 leftstreet Oct 2014 #6
Are you implying only 20 percent have a sock portfolio? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #12
52% have some stock ownership n2doc Oct 2014 #44
And many of us who have a little bit in a portfolio, had to stop making liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #52
jaysus. seriously? make stuff up much? cali Oct 2014 #62
+1 liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #34
That is a very valid point. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2014 #42
+++ fadedrose Oct 2014 #68
Which has very little to do with the point of the OP. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #138
Remember when the bushies were bragging about creating louis-t Oct 2014 #7
Democrats trying to save their a***** should be touting Obama's accomplishments Frustratedlady Oct 2014 #8
I would sincerely hope that Democrats do NOT try this trick. scarletwoman Oct 2014 #84
Great for the Corporate Elite... 99Forever Oct 2014 #9
Yes ONLY the corporate elite are better off now zappaman Oct 2014 #10
To a large degree, it is so. 99Forever Oct 2014 #11
Okey dokey. zappaman Oct 2014 #13
Nice response. 99Forever Oct 2014 #15
Not dismissing at all. zappaman Oct 2014 #19
Under President Sanders, life will be better for all... 99Forever Oct 2014 #37
Surely, you're not that politically naive? BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #76
Tell me what bills President Sanders passes with a right-wing Congress. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #94
Heh... your simple but thoughtful question could not have been ignored any harder Number23 Oct 2014 #116
If he had this congress Obama has to deal with? zappaman Oct 2014 #97
Same lame excuses, different day. 99Forever Oct 2014 #98
This congress who has been against Obama since the moment he took office zappaman Oct 2014 #99
More people would buy that excuse if the President actually fought for the people instead of liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #100
Yes, he should be a dictator. zappaman Oct 2014 #101
so how many people have to live in poverty before the democrats wake up? liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #103
Obama is the one responsible for making an honest effort. 99Forever Oct 2014 #102
exactly. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #104
So you're unhappy that Obama is honest? zappaman Oct 2014 #105
I am not going to go round in circles with you. You go be happy with the President. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Oct 2014 #107
You are actually very wrong. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #136
but..but..but.. Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #108
I am so glad I am not a democrat anymore. I hope you won't miss my vote this year. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #109
Good Lord Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #110
Wow. zappaman Oct 2014 #112
If you're not a Democrat, why are you here? zappaman Oct 2014 #113
I can only imagine the convenience of perceiving the world in a consistent either-or fashion. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #139
Just curious Andy823 Oct 2014 #23
What does that have to do with anything? 99Forever Oct 2014 #35
Well Andy823 Oct 2014 #49
Actually a question TBF Oct 2014 #57
Classic name calling Andy823 Oct 2014 #58
Can't handle the substance TBF Oct 2014 #60
Yep Andy823 Oct 2014 #120
Again avoiding the substance - how does insulting TBF Oct 2014 #123
Honest question, my ass. 99Forever Oct 2014 #61
Wow Andy823 Oct 2014 #122
I didn't "try to paint you" as ... 99Forever Oct 2014 #141
Maybe you should read what I posted Andy823 Oct 2014 #165
Well bud... 99Forever Oct 2014 #167
Well Andy823 Oct 2014 #168
Blah.. blah... blah... 99Forever Oct 2014 #169
We need someone dishonest like Bernie Sanders! zappaman Oct 2014 #172
You don't seem to grasp that stating the facts- cali Oct 2014 #65
... progressoid Oct 2014 #89
For you. bravenak Oct 2014 #51
the middle classes are largely NOT better off. The lower middle class certainly isn't cali Oct 2014 #63
Number of jobs only say so much. Neoma Oct 2014 #14
Acording to Obama “Median family incomes, that’s one that is not doing better,” Autumn Oct 2014 #16
But, but, but the economy is doing sooooo gooood! Phlem Oct 2014 #17
If the people aren't doing good, the economy isn't doing good. Autumn Oct 2014 #39
I agree Andy823 Oct 2014 #50
The chocolate ration has been increased! (Low-wage jobs replace middle-income work) woo me with science Oct 2014 #20
excellent reference material here! I wonder since stock market participation is at all time low whereisjustice Oct 2014 #33
And your point is????? BobbyBoring Oct 2014 #46
thank you, thank you, thank you! cali Oct 2014 #66
I highly recommend this post! Pastiche423 Oct 2014 #157
(*) for the wealthy. eom whereisjustice Oct 2014 #21
+1 That asterisk says a whole lot for the 50 million in poverty. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #26
India's booming Democracy has 340 million people living at or below $1.24/day and you whereisjustice Oct 2014 #31
Very important asterisk. nt woo me with science Oct 2014 #29
But the Debbie Downers at DU keep telling us everything is shit... SidDithers Oct 2014 #24
Oh well zappaman Oct 2014 #40
I dub them serial complainers. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #77
"Edit: not surprisingly, they're all over your thread." Number23 Oct 2014 #92
Exactly... SidDithers Oct 2014 #114
I can see how annoying and hurtful it is to you whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #124
... SidDithers Oct 2014 #134
I would suggest there's a difference between a foreign co-founder whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #145
Really, the only answer that tired old trope even deserves Number23 Oct 2014 #160
Believe Canada! BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #115
The perpetually disgruntled aren't happy!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #154
But...but...but... valerief Oct 2014 #27
Yes he is, because his policies have worked. lovemydog Oct 2014 #28
k&r... spanone Oct 2014 #30
No president pushing for TPP and TISA woo me with science Oct 2014 #32
Thank you. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #36
Remember this is Forbes and for the rich, Obama has been great. For the non-rich, pretty much whereisjustice Oct 2014 #38
yup. Phlem Oct 2014 #54
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #56
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #64
Damn commie, fascist, socialist, Kenyan Muslim! FlatStanley Oct 2014 #41
Perhaps you remember the later Clinton years during the dot.com bubble amandabeech Oct 2014 #43
Democrats aren't trying to detract from his accomplishments, we're trying to get him to do more yurbud Oct 2014 #45
Some definitely are, they pretend the obstructionists in congress do not exist, and give POTUS no bettyellen Oct 2014 #59
+1 Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #75
I'm sorry but I have zero trust in anyone who used to be a republican.... bettyellen Oct 2014 #80
+2000. BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #78
Democrats could have ended obstruction in Senate by yurbud Oct 2014 #129
and that will be great when a Republican does the same right? We need to take back Congress to fix bettyellen Oct 2014 #131
How often did Democrats use filibuster when Bush was president yurbud Oct 2014 #142
How does Republican obstruction stop Wall St prosecution? yurbud Oct 2014 #130
The unwillingness to prosecute AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #150
and our Third Way president can't blame that on Republican obstruction--he CHOSE to do nothing. yurbud Oct 2014 #158
How does Republican obstruction force obama's corrupt K-12 privatization policy? yurbud Oct 2014 #132
He not only didn't prosecute Wall St, he's giving them our public education yurbud Oct 2014 #159
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2014 #53
Or the Economist Phlem Oct 2014 #55
Actually many aren't happy with Obama AndreaCG Oct 2014 #67
That is an interesting way of dodging the substance of the OP, but it's still a dodge. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #137
For the 1%, yes, for the rest of us not so much. kickysnana Oct 2014 #74
"modern times" - what does that mean . . . . 2000's? DrDan Oct 2014 #79
It means since the end of the second world war. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #127
By any measure, people are actually worse off now. alarimer Oct 2014 #170
No doubt - the 1% have prospered DrDan Oct 2014 #171
Republicans are why the "middle class" aren't doing better killbotfactory Oct 2014 #81
Imagine what he could have done if he had a working congress to help him. jwirr Oct 2014 #85
This in spite of despicable GOP obstruction at every turn smelling of economic indepat Oct 2014 #86
I agree somewhat..... robthesocialist Oct 2014 #88
Probably why a recent poll in this forum has the president's support at around 84 freaking percent Number23 Oct 2014 #90
Lots of Nattering Nabobs of Negativism in this thread. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #93
I'll make sure to thank him the next time I have to take money out of my 401(k) just to liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2014 #152
Well, that's depressing. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #96
I'm gonna rec this because TBF Oct 2014 #118
True. zappaman Oct 2014 #119
But that will only make the GOP angrier and nastier than they already are. Now they are focused on kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #121
Let them eat cake Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #140
and precisely what policies of his were enacted that led to this? stupidicus Oct 2014 #143
The article only compares him to Reagan AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #144
No, it doesn't. The title says best economic President in modern times. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #147
Without proof AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #148
The whole article is proof as it contrasts him with the guy previously thought of as best. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #151
That is absurd on it's face AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #173
Nothin' But Good Times Ahead Orsino Oct 2014 #146
Secrets divulged on election Night in November guyfromla Oct 2014 #149
Yay the least stinky turd in the bowl! Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #155
The numbers may say it R.Quinn Oct 2014 #156
Dems need to run some ads about this Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #163
Krugman on why Obama is a historic success pampango Oct 2014 #175
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