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In reply to the discussion: Study: You Can't Change an Anti-Vaxxer's Mind [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)185. Weary sigh. The two sources I've seen promoting that meme are Dr. Nancy Snyderman & Dr. Paul Offit.
https://twitter.com/DrNancyNBCNEWS/status/372469050028199936
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The demographic of parents who opt out of vaccinating their children? White, college educated, suburban....well meaning but wrong @NBCNews
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The demographic of parents who opt out of vaccinating their children? White, college educated, suburban....well meaning but wrong @NBCNews
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http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/11/public-enemy-number-one-white-suburban-educated-moms.html
November 19, 2013
Public Enemy Number One: White Suburban Educated Moms
By Julie Obradovic
Theres a theme playing out in our society, and its not a good one: white suburban moms are the enemy.
It started a few months ago with a tweet from Dr. Nancy Snyderman. She was addressing the fact that studies have shown the parent most likely to refuse or question vaccinations for her children is a highly-educated white mom.
She wanted everyone to know that we are a well-meaning bunch, but that we are wrong.
It was ridiculously condescending and reeked of racism. Are we seriously to believe mothers of color dont have questions about vaccines either?
But for the most part the tweet and what it implied that we stereotypical silly little college-educated white moms are seriously misguided and endangering our children and society went unnoticed outside of the vaccine-safety movement.
But it has happened again, and this time, not in the form of a tweet most people will never see or pay attention to. This time, it came from the federal government; specifically from the mouth of Department of Education head, Arne Duncan.
While addressing criticism of the Common Core, he speculated what was behind it:
Now Ive been an outspoken advocate in perhaps one of the nastiest controversies out there for almost ten years. Ive heard and read an awful lot of insults during that time, Dr. Nancys not withstanding. Anything from being a flat-earther to being so stupid its no wonder my special-needs child has problems.
I try not to pay attention to those things anymore, but every once in a while something catches me off guard. Mr. Duncans comments did just that.
It wasnt just that as a teacher with 17 years experience and two masters degrees in education that I know first hand what the real concerns are from both sides of the desk, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with worrying about the perceived brilliance of a child or value of a school. It was that his comment is so far off from reality that its not just insulting, its frightening: hes apparently completely disconnected from what teachers and parents are actually worried about.
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November 19, 2013
Public Enemy Number One: White Suburban Educated Moms
By Julie Obradovic
Theres a theme playing out in our society, and its not a good one: white suburban moms are the enemy.
It started a few months ago with a tweet from Dr. Nancy Snyderman. She was addressing the fact that studies have shown the parent most likely to refuse or question vaccinations for her children is a highly-educated white mom.
She wanted everyone to know that we are a well-meaning bunch, but that we are wrong.
It was ridiculously condescending and reeked of racism. Are we seriously to believe mothers of color dont have questions about vaccines either?
But for the most part the tweet and what it implied that we stereotypical silly little college-educated white moms are seriously misguided and endangering our children and society went unnoticed outside of the vaccine-safety movement.
But it has happened again, and this time, not in the form of a tweet most people will never see or pay attention to. This time, it came from the federal government; specifically from the mouth of Department of Education head, Arne Duncan.
While addressing criticism of the Common Core, he speculated what was behind it:
Its fascinating to me that some of the pushback is coming from, sort of, white suburban moms who all of a sudden their child isnt as brilliant as they thought they were and their school isnt quite as good as they thought they were, and thats pretty scary, Duncan said.
Now Ive been an outspoken advocate in perhaps one of the nastiest controversies out there for almost ten years. Ive heard and read an awful lot of insults during that time, Dr. Nancys not withstanding. Anything from being a flat-earther to being so stupid its no wonder my special-needs child has problems.
I try not to pay attention to those things anymore, but every once in a while something catches me off guard. Mr. Duncans comments did just that.
It wasnt just that as a teacher with 17 years experience and two masters degrees in education that I know first hand what the real concerns are from both sides of the desk, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with worrying about the perceived brilliance of a child or value of a school. It was that his comment is so far off from reality that its not just insulting, its frightening: hes apparently completely disconnected from what teachers and parents are actually worried about.
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http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/11/dr-nancy-snyderman-danger-married-white-female.html
November 04, 2009
Dr. Nancy Snyderman: Danger! Married White Female!
By Katie Wright ADDED NOTE: (Daughter of Autism Speaks founders, Bob and Suzanne Wright)
Managing Editor's Note: I added a little something at the end of this post for your enjoyment, my fellow dangerous types. Tell us in the comments why you're dangerous. (90 comments)
Thats right! Last week Dr. Nancy held up a pie chart illustrating the groups of people are most concerned about vaccine safety. You have seen these pie charts before, especially in the context of crime. Usually this type of visual aid communicates public problems like what % of women have been victims of a violent crimes or the % of men have committed crimes or are in jail, and so forth. Nice stuff.
While pointing to her pie chart, Dr. Snyderman angrily directs the viewer to the high % of educated but misinformed white Moms who have concerns about vaccine safety. The gist of it we have been brainwashed by the internet and it is preposterous for us to question CDC safety standards. We have all heard Syndermans rant before: these Moms are endangering children, Moms dont know how to use the internet (appropriately!), health care workers (possibly married white Moms lurking in this category as well!) who refuse to get the swine flu vaccine are selfish and on and on.
Well, today I am admitting that Synderman has found us out. Yes, it IS a conspiracy! White college educated Moms of America are on a covert mission to ensure our vaccines are safe. We have secret gatherings at Banana Republic. Maybe you have seen us at Starbucks? We hold clandestine meetings at Whole Foods, because when we are not working on our evil plan to make vaccine safe we are buying organic food! Yes, Nancy it is all true! Our nefarious actions include reading and researching and using the internet (again, that dangerous tool!) to learn about vaccine safety issues. Dr. Nancy apparently believes on she and select members of the medical community can properly use the internet and we should visit only their pre-approved sites? Dangerous white married Moms can also be found at Staples, buying supplies for our childs home program. In short, we have infiltrated all of America!
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November 04, 2009
Dr. Nancy Snyderman: Danger! Married White Female!
By Katie Wright ADDED NOTE: (Daughter of Autism Speaks founders, Bob and Suzanne Wright)
Managing Editor's Note: I added a little something at the end of this post for your enjoyment, my fellow dangerous types. Tell us in the comments why you're dangerous. (90 comments)
Thats right! Last week Dr. Nancy held up a pie chart illustrating the groups of people are most concerned about vaccine safety. You have seen these pie charts before, especially in the context of crime. Usually this type of visual aid communicates public problems like what % of women have been victims of a violent crimes or the % of men have committed crimes or are in jail, and so forth. Nice stuff.
While pointing to her pie chart, Dr. Snyderman angrily directs the viewer to the high % of educated but misinformed white Moms who have concerns about vaccine safety. The gist of it we have been brainwashed by the internet and it is preposterous for us to question CDC safety standards. We have all heard Syndermans rant before: these Moms are endangering children, Moms dont know how to use the internet (appropriately!), health care workers (possibly married white Moms lurking in this category as well!) who refuse to get the swine flu vaccine are selfish and on and on.
Well, today I am admitting that Synderman has found us out. Yes, it IS a conspiracy! White college educated Moms of America are on a covert mission to ensure our vaccines are safe. We have secret gatherings at Banana Republic. Maybe you have seen us at Starbucks? We hold clandestine meetings at Whole Foods, because when we are not working on our evil plan to make vaccine safe we are buying organic food! Yes, Nancy it is all true! Our nefarious actions include reading and researching and using the internet (again, that dangerous tool!) to learn about vaccine safety issues. Dr. Nancy apparently believes on she and select members of the medical community can properly use the internet and we should visit only their pre-approved sites? Dangerous white married Moms can also be found at Staples, buying supplies for our childs home program. In short, we have infiltrated all of America!
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Dr. Paul Offit during the past several months on "uniformly highly educated" parents:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/09/dachel-media-update-paul-offit-in-wall-street-journal-of-course.html
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/06/dr-paul-offit-tells-jon-stewart-that-caucasion-upper-middle-class-educated-are-.html
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How happy do you think parents were, in the late 50's, when a polio vaccine became available...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#17
I was born in '64. I know how happy parents were about the polio, MMR and other vaccines.
REP
Oct 2014
#22
I also had the smallpox vac and was happy to get it. I have met people who survived smallpox.
Shrike47
Oct 2014
#106
Everyone that I know who has not vaccinated their children has a Masters degree or higher
Tumbulu
Oct 2014
#57
Steve Jobs was similar to an antivaxer. He waited to cure himself and then it was too late.
randome
Oct 2014
#153
Too many times people that are enormously successful in one facet of their lives believe they
Ikonoklast
Oct 2014
#183
Which explains why so many successful parents fall for the anti-vax bullshit.
zappaman
Oct 2014
#184
And it seems many such as those parents are the ones with "Indigo Children".
Ikonoklast
Oct 2014
#186
Weary sigh. The two sources I've seen promoting that meme are Dr. Nancy Snyderman & Dr. Paul Offit.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#185
not in this case. this anti vaccine shit is also a problem with college educated upper middleclass
La Lioness Priyanka
Oct 2014
#122
But everyone on DU wants to thump their chest and claim it is only the fundamentalists
Tumbulu
Oct 2014
#135
no, this is the lefts version of climate change denial. i feel like i wrote an op about this
La Lioness Priyanka
Oct 2014
#150
Some one just has to give up on, logic fails on them. One hopes that with their idiocracy they
RKP5637
Oct 2014
#4
They don't like to be compared to a cult, but that's what it looks like to me. eom
Blanks
Oct 2014
#32
Mumps causes sterility. The Illuminati don't want the kids of smart people like you to reproduce...
hunter
Oct 2014
#87
I was engaged in extensive discussions on Facebook on the 'CDC whistleblower' story...
Blanks
Oct 2014
#29
So, if you can't actually change their minds, why spend so much effort trying to?
Electric Monk
Oct 2014
#34
Google allows you to know your allies & their shifting rationalizations. Do their arguments hold up?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#113
I'd prefer another more serious unedited interview w Dr. Melinda Wharton but I haven't seen one.(nt)
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#209
Probably not even then. I can easily see a paranoid conspiracy theory being spun...
Silent3
Oct 2014
#68
LOL. The US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court paid out $276,424,636.81 in fiscal year 2013.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#79
I said "Regardless of the source of the injury." Please reread my post, thanks. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#97
If there's a statement you'd like to challenge, please quote it directly, thanks. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#104
No such connection therein stated or implied, as demonstrated once already. Please read carefully:
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#108
Unsupported & easily disproven talking points do not a thorough refutation make.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#152
Since 1989, the US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court has paid $2,857,926,807.60 in damages.
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#81
every parent is given information about the vaccine injury fund when they consent to vaccination.
missingthebigdog
Oct 2014
#134
$2,857,926,807.60 in vaccine injury damage awards should give you your answer. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2014
#154
You really don't understand the difference between science and courts of any kind, do you?
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#161
Are you from Maine? Seen this Op-Ed? Don't be afraid to read in full & please check out links, too.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#92
Here on DU, one's decisions about one's body belong to the Pompous Brigade,
closeupready
Oct 2014
#93
Chris Mooney is a 37 yo Yalie; here's an older Yalie, Dan Olmsted. Each earned BA degree in English.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#98
The editorializing in Mooney's article is unsupported & offensive. The study is worth reading, OTOH.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#126
Do you regard as problematic everyone on earth except those following the exact 2014 CDC schedule?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#101
I like accuracy. Please point out a concrete example of "misdirection/half-truths about vaccination"
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#116
CDC Whistleblower Text Exchange With Mrs. Wakefield: “Your husband’s career was unjustly damaged..."
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#124
Keep trying. Wakefield is a fraud and continues to be a dangerous asshat...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#125
AUTISM SPEAKS: Regressive Autism Reported Twice as Often among African American Children
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#138
Anti-vax bullshit should get a poster banned, under the Crazy Talk part of the TOS...
SidDithers
Oct 2014
#149
Dr Gorski read the following & provided comments. Skim it, skip the parts you regard as insufferable
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#166
#CDCwhistleblower #hearthiswell - unreported in the MSM, but not credible? Really? (nt)
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#174
Worth the automatic hide and thread lock-out for citing blacklisted site, HuckleB; this is tedious.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#171
Why are you spamming debunked nonsense, and making baseless claims about other items?
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#173
My youngest brother got measles and chicken pox at the same time. He almost died.
appleannie1
Oct 2014
#103
Yes, Quarantine all those who should be vaccinated and are not. They pose a risk to public health
on point
Oct 2014
#190
You misunderstand. The can leave quarantine anytime they like. Get vaccinated or get sick.
on point
Oct 2014
#199
If one does not challenge their claims, those who do not know enough can be conned.
HuckleB
Oct 2014
#175
Are you calling these Harvard & other MDs baseless names & suggesting they should be made pariahs?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2014
#207
Seems it would take plenty convincing for someone to even become an anti-vaxxer in the first place
JonLP24
Oct 2014
#200
All Anti Vaxers should be sentenced to spend at least one day in the late fifties.
alphafemale
Oct 2014
#205