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Chan790

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212. Revisionist history.

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:58 PM

Oct 2014

What I remember about 2008 isn't a whole lot of misogyny, it's a metric shit-ton of Hillary supporters screaming "misogyny" in response to any legitimate criticism of Clinton in order to shut-down debate and further their meme of Hillary as inevitable. Then, lots of Hillary supporters screaming "misogyny" when she started to lose because...well...frankly...she's a terrible candidate far from the mainstream on many issues. Then, lots of Hillary supporters screaming "misogyny" when it became inevitable that she was not going to win and we began to suggest that she should end her candidacy for the good of the party and the immediacy of a unified opposition to the destructive agenda of the GOP.

Nearly 8 years and I see nothing much has changed. Hillary is still a terrible candidate and her supporters still consider any deviation from the Cult of Clinton Adoration to be "misogyny."

Perhaps we can get through a primary without a civil war after Hillary's electability goes nose-and-toes-up again if more people opted to not "hang around this place" under such circumstances.

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Hillary will be the nominee two years hence. Not Warren. Not Sanders. [View all] Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 OP

More defeatism. Maedhros Oct 2014 #1

Defeatism? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #19

What is purity? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #23

A real primary, for starters? merrily Oct 2014 #254

If purity is DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #33

The Senate ratifies treaties. Speak with them. nt MADem Oct 2014 #213

and where is the retort DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #220

The Federal government doesn't manage schools -- speak to your local school board. MADem Oct 2014 #223

of course you never mention what she SAYS DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #227

Not all charter schools are bad. This is news to you? MADem Oct 2014 #239

actually DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #247

YMMV DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #248

The federal government has a lot to do with schools. merrily Oct 2014 #255

The federal government does not MANAGE schools. nt MADem Oct 2014 #258

Empty semantics. The power of the federal purse. merrily Oct 2014 #260

Ratifies, yes. But treaties are for the President in the first instance. merrily Oct 2014 #256

They go nowhere without ratification. nt MADem Oct 2014 #257

They don't even go to the Senate without the President. merrily Oct 2014 #259

If she is the nominee, I believe she will lose. merrily Oct 2014 #253

The funny thing about prohecies. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #2

Prophecy? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #20

I missed HRC's announcement got a link? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #103

Hillary is not running RobertEarl Oct 2014 #3

I agree. What does she have to prove? She should zonkers Oct 2014 #14

Yes, agree, life is too short. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #184

she is a pol....its what they do... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #193

Certainly true and, obviously, her choice. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #218

and she's running...... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #224

So besides building a campaign organization, constant fund raising and campaign visits hack89 Oct 2014 #38

You gonna believe your lying eyes? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #75

that is utter horseshit! She polls ahead of EVERY Republican....AND she is married to VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #49

I do not think we are disputing that she can win the general election. I for one am not happy with jwirr Oct 2014 #85

too bad....We have a Primary election and not everyone gets to have their "Special Candidate" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #119

What I want is for her to have an opponent so that the issues can be discussed. I do not want a jwirr Oct 2014 #122

are you committed to vote for whomever wins the Primary....even if it IS Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #123

I am absolutely committed to voting for the Democratic Party Candidates in 2016. I have always jwirr Oct 2014 #124

I asked even if it IS Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #126

Of course. What other choice do we have in the general. If she wins the primary she is our candidate jwirr Oct 2014 #136

As I have repeatedly already and I have ALWAYS said I vote for whomever wins the Primary....btw VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #137

In the end DU will vote Democratic for the same reason I will. Because to not vote or to vote for an jwirr Oct 2014 #138

But many here say they will not.....and I let them know that they are Independents... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #140

I understand. I think that pic fits the Democrats (wheat) from the Rs (chaff) better. jwirr Oct 2014 #141

there's some wheat and chaff hanging around DU as well.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #143

Agree marions ghost Oct 2014 #282

Precisely! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #185

she will run GummyBearz Oct 2014 #171

Bill was not all that great. NAFTA, Bohunk68 Oct 2014 #197

yes GummyBearz Oct 2014 #199

We have a great one now Tweedy Oct 2014 #279

its not about liking Bill...duh...he is the best when it VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #245

I dunno.... Stellar Oct 2014 #187

LOL, you crack me up! nt Logical Oct 2014 #229

Like Reagan lost again when he ran again? nt pnwmom Oct 2014 #204

And I remember Sputnik. Hillary Clinton has plenty enough time to lose whatever lock she .... marble falls Oct 2014 #4

She doesn't have a "lock" what she HAS is known as SUPPORT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #50

Nope! I am confident she can lose it like last time! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #230

you can be a unicorn for all we care... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #244

You realize warren is a woman, correct? And a real liberal!! nt Logical Oct 2014 #249

You realize Warren IS one of those Ladies of the VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #266

Get ready for disappointment. nt Logical Oct 2014 #270

no I'm the one pledged to vote for whoever wins VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #272

We'll, we agree on that. I'll vote Hillary if she is the one. Nt Logical Oct 2014 #273

Good....now Mr Logical VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #275

You owe me a keyboard! MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #5

Thank you, MG, for yet another disjointed comment Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #21

Just when you had your hopes set so high? L0oniX Oct 2014 #105

Do you realize how much damage I've done to my screen trying to swat that damn fly? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #191

Oh god! I just had a flashback to 2007. morningfog Oct 2014 #6

INEVITABLE!!!! WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT THE STONE COLD INEVITABLENESS OF THE INEVITABILITY? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #226

I was already 5 3/4 years old and remember seeing sputink drift across the night sky. JEB Oct 2014 #7

Which candidates do you think takes money from Wall Street and other corporate interest? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #8

Candidates from both major parties. JEB Oct 2014 #13

Which ones, names. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #16

Why does Bernie Sanders need to become a Democrat to win for $1000 Alex? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #51

I hear the corporatist thrown around and hopefully soon some will learn if someone is Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #60

Exactly.....they never ever like to answer the question about why Bernie Sanders needs the VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #62

He would be a hard sell, the Socialist title he gives himself is a killer, I don't think Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #65

I don't think Bernie could get elected and neither could Warren IMO. The republicans RKP5637 Oct 2014 #112

M.O.N.E.Y. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #129

Heres your answer jeepers Oct 2014 #169

Which ones don't? Names? JEB Oct 2014 #79

This is a true answer, they all are corporatist. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #97

then even Bernie Sanders is....if he becomes a Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #131

Do you really think Bernie running is going to make a difference, doesnt matter if Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #150

more than Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #151

Bernie can make a difference if enough of us vote for him. JEB Oct 2014 #154

If only Hillary jeepers Oct 2014 #168

I don't see any way to recapture our Party or JEB Oct 2014 #149

Somebody or some corporation will have to put the money up, until Citizens United is kicked out Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #152

Somebody or some corporation will have to put the money up. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #158

Or we could choose a caandidate that has winning policies JEB Oct 2014 #159

go ahead....you can even start your very own Party... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #194

http://www.opensecrets.org/ Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #153

Thanks for the link. Excellent info. JEB Oct 2014 #155

deja vu all over again. deal with it, ancient one. cali Oct 2014 #9

DU is not representative of real life or reality. n/t Lil Missy Oct 2014 #10

i agree. DUers are well informed political junkies. nt m-lekktor Oct 2014 #35

Saw my first bumper sticker today. Lochloosa Oct 2014 #11

IMO in corporate stranglehold America, one could do far worse than Hillary. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #114

So being born on the same day Sputnik launched...... Capt.Rocky300 Oct 2014 #12

Not to quibble ... former9thward Oct 2014 #24

True, but the official nominations...... Capt.Rocky300 Oct 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #15

Wrong, there is plenty of interest. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #17

sure, there are these pinheads lurking AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #18

So, Warren is Obama II? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #25

How'd that puerile attitude work out last time? AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #29

Last time (2008), Obama was Running Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #173

the base would be thrilled to have Elizabeth run AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #174

Probably more thrilled tazkcmo Oct 2014 #235

Blue DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #34

Who are you calling Blue Dog? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #63

Pinheads? What do you call those who can't read opinion polls of over 50%? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #41

SOOOO who do you have as your "Obama" to take it away from her? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #56

Any real democrat will do! nt Logical Oct 2014 #231

so which "real" Democrat do you like? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #242

Unfortunately, you may be right. And, I'll "deal with it" if it should happen. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #22

Are you advocating a third party run, you see where this gas gotten us in the past, maybe Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #43

Would you vote for Hillary if she ran as an Independent? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #139

I doubt she would ever run as an independent so you are asking a question which will not happen. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #145

It's obviously a hypothetical question. Can you answer it. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #146

She may not get your vote but would you rather a Republican? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #148

I don't want either. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #160

One has to be in demand, sorry Bernie doesnt cut it. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #162

Good. The question then is why Hillary is in demand to provide the entertainment to Goldman Sachs. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #167

she is in Demand brcause MOST real Democrats VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #243

Obviously you trust Goldman Sachs judgement over mine. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #250

who you got getting elected for free? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #265

So, it's OK for politicians to accept money from corporations? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #267

when Bernie becones a Democrat where do YOU VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #269

I have no idea but I would still object if it came from an outfit like Goldman Sachs. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #271

oh yes you do...stop feigning naivete... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #274

Do you agree with that idea? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #277

What is YOUR alternative that is in REALITY.....not an Ideal! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #281

My alternative is to vote issues and policies rather than party or politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #284

I an pledged to vote for whomever wins the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #285

I don't make "pledges", "oaths", or "promises" beyond "maybe" in politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #289

+1000. I vote for representatives, not liege-lords. n/t winter is coming Oct 2014 #291

Third Way you say???? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #57

No one will be happy Skeowes28 Oct 2014 #26

I think she will likely be, not will be fadedrose Oct 2014 #27

Understandable, people don't like or handle change arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #28

Did you think the same thing in 2008? n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2014 #30

Both Clintons have major health issues. Divernan Oct 2014 #31

Flame bait Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #32

same old shit....from an oldie... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #52

Pretty sure that's all it was intended to be. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #91

100% L0oniX Oct 2014 #100

Inevitability like back in 2008? mmonk Oct 2014 #36

But...but...but davidpdx Oct 2014 #39

How dare we not choose the one party mmonk Oct 2014 #46

then I suggest you start your own! Of course that would mean you would need to start your own VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #54

Why start my own club when my mmonk Oct 2014 #68

Well obviously you don't like being a member of OUR club! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #72

You obviously didn't read my post you are criticising mmonk Oct 2014 #89

It should be obvious that the "club" is pretty damn divided in this respect... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #95

only on DU.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #133

No they aren't.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #53

It's not about me, it's about the CLAIMS being made on DU davidpdx Oct 2014 #175

Your age has nothing to do with anything. I am older than you by a decade. Deal with it. djean111 Oct 2014 #37

+1 davidpdx Oct 2014 #40

I agree as well. If she's so fantastic, she shouldn't have any problem with the primary process kysrsoze Oct 2014 #263

Who do you think is not corporate? Third way as many here work against? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #45

That's the problem, isn't it? djean111 Oct 2014 #48

You can't answer the question of who do you think is not corporate? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #55

No, that's not the problem at all. djean111 Oct 2014 #69

So lets say Rand Paul comes out against the TPP.....Do you vote Rand Paul instead? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #73

No, that is not my ONLY interest, you are being disingenuous. djean111 Oct 2014 #77

Here is another simple test, who do you think will be elected without donations from corporations? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #76

bull shit! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

Is that chart from Hillary's site? djean111 Oct 2014 #66

What's bullshit is any insinuation that chart is in any way reflective of Hillary. Chan790 Oct 2014 #210

Man, I am glad she's inevitable. Then I don't have to do anything, financial support, or even Katashi_itto Oct 2014 #42

That nominee would guarantee Jeb Bush moves into the Oval Office. Octafish Oct 2014 #44

The theory a Bush could ever beat a Clinton is a theory in search of evidence. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #128

Really? Tweedy Oct 2014 #280

President Clinton accomplished much, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #287

Great Tweedy Oct 2014 #294

I will do everything in my power to not let that happen (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #47

Brave TRUE DEM you are! mylye2222 Oct 2014 #61

Where they say they vote for Republican? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #232

Where does one get lessons for operating the puppet show? L0oniX Oct 2014 #101

The Owl Shop (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #104

Me too, Will. n/t Chan790 Oct 2014 #211

Well perhaps when you mature a little more... 99Forever Oct 2014 #59

A true reason for optimism and enthusiasm. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #64

are you fucking kidding me?? navarth Oct 2014 #74

Are they all the same? No Scootaloo Oct 2014 #177

Scootaloo navarth Oct 2014 #186

I was launched from my mother 3 months before Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor tularetom Oct 2014 #67

Well hopefully a Warren or Sanders push can get Hillary to slide leftward to allay some fears. BenzoDia Oct 2014 #70

Any seemingly leftward slide is only fodder for her campaign. L0oniX Oct 2014 #102

I dunno, man. Maybe it'll appeal to her sense of decency....lol BenzoDia Oct 2014 #107

Well, as a Schweitzer and O'Malley supporter I disagree, but I like your style Recursion Oct 2014 #71

well I would have been 3 at the time. But I guess we don't need to have primaries Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #78

K&R. mylye2222 Oct 2014 #80

That seems to be the plan. djean111 Oct 2014 #82

Sanders would have no chance of winning the nom, since he's not a registered Democrat Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #81

Are one-time Republicans out then? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #195

People who liked Ike 50 years ago are welcome. pnwmom Oct 2014 #205

What if they liked Goldwater? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #217

The year isn't the key -- the person is. pnwmom Oct 2014 #219

I realize there is the Hillary-was-a-Goldwater Girl thing. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #222

"...questionable Native American heritage...."? truebluegreen Oct 2014 #262

Indian Country Today Media Network tried several times to contact her Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #290

I'd call it a non-issue that she has addressed already truebluegreen Oct 2014 #292

The link to the ICTMN article is embedded in my post above Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #293

I am older than you and yeah she may be the nominee but we will not be happy with it and in the jwirr Oct 2014 #83

I'm with you on every point Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #87

With you too. AngryOldDem Oct 2014 #121

We don't need to vote. tazkcmo Oct 2014 #238

Perfect post! nt Logical Oct 2014 #233

Two years is an eternity in politics YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #84

If age counts for anything here, let me say Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #86

Well said. I also have my doubts that anyone put Hillary can win. Do you think anyone except us jwirr Oct 2014 #90

George Santayana-- Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #96

I think some of the 1972 change came as a backlash to the demonstation against the war. That is jwirr Oct 2014 #98

I think you're exactly right. You've set off a cascade of thoughts. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #106

All due to fear of change. What they are going to find out is that change comes rather we like it or jwirr Oct 2014 #110

And the first dinosaur to encounter a little mammal Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #111

LOL jwirr Oct 2014 #113

Lol. Deal with it? RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #88

So, our Party is so corrupt that Hillary is JEB Oct 2014 #92

After you were launched... Oilwellian Oct 2014 #94

Apparently not. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #115

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #99

You were older than a lot of people most of your life. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #108

Wait! I thought Hillary Clinton was nominated and elected in 2008! SheilaT Oct 2014 #109

Agreed customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #116

I think her support is drying up fast Android3.14 Oct 2014 #117

based on what? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #118

And if that happens there will be massive lack of turnout daredtowork Oct 2014 #120

She'll have my vote..... BooScout Oct 2014 #125

funny DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #201

Revisionist history. Chan790 Oct 2014 #212

sort of like..... BooScout Oct 2014 #278

Oh OK then Phlem Oct 2014 #127

LOL! I"m older than you by at least 10 years. We know she's the Anointed One. YOU Deal with it. 2banon Oct 2014 #130

The nomination is very likely hers if she wants it. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #132

If Hillary is elected, we'll see the greatest surge toward libertarianism in the last 30 years LittleBlue Oct 2014 #134

Hillary is running. The "media" will create... Mike Nelson Oct 2014 #135

Which will guarantee a Republican takes office. obxhead Oct 2014 #142

The mighty Nightowl has hooted! polichick Oct 2014 #144

LOL! Okay kewl story bro! Rex Oct 2014 #147

This again? arcane1 Oct 2014 #156

If Hillary is our nominee, then the GOP JEB Oct 2014 #157

Hmmm, the list of non-fucking batshit crazy assholes LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #196

Neither do I. JEB Oct 2014 #216

If HRC chooses to run, she will have tremendous support from ordinary folks. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #161

Anderson Cooper had a really great response to this. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #163

Like your description! calimary Oct 2014 #164

So what would change if you are right? mikehiggins Oct 2014 #165

Must be nice to be precognisent intaglio Oct 2014 #166

All settled? jeepers Oct 2014 #170

No. tazkcmo Oct 2014 #240

The beatings will continue DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #172

That's what I was hearing in 2006 Scootaloo Oct 2014 #176

She won't win the primary. Early front runners tend to lose Democratic Presidential primaries. (nt) w4rma Oct 2014 #178

Pretty certain of that Scootaloo Oct 2014 #180

Hillary Clinton is even further to the right than Obama; area51 Oct 2014 #179

I've always wanted a TARDIS. Could I borrow yours? n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #181

You may be right, Mister Nightowl, but democrank Oct 2014 #182

Heard that in 2008, lol. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #183

Hillary will run and win imo but a primary is a good thing. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #188

wee... WillyT Oct 2014 #189

Why is it that some people think they are older than most around hear? Stellar Oct 2014 #190

I had no idea that Sputnik gave its generational progeny the powers of prophecy... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #192

Deal with it: I'm older than you and age does not equal anything except getting older. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #198

Doesn't she have to announce that she's running first? DFW Oct 2014 #200

She can wait longer than anyone else because she already has a national organization. pnwmom Oct 2014 #206

She can also lead the Republicans around by the nose for two years and then say she's not interested DFW Oct 2014 #207

I don't think she's definite either. But I think she can wait longer than anyone else to decide. nt pnwmom Oct 2014 #208

I'd have to agree with you on that point. n/t DFW Oct 2014 #214

No, she can't... brooklynite Oct 2014 #268

Same psychic prediction as last week! tridim Oct 2014 #202

maybe so but she won't be president bowens43 Oct 2014 #203

LOL-whatever Marrah_G Oct 2014 #209

They don't intend to be tuhaybey Oct 2014 #215

Poop stinks PowerToThePeople Oct 2014 #221

What the fuck does Sputnik have to do with it? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #225

LOL, ok! Like last time? nt Logical Oct 2014 #228

Deal with it? tazkcmo Oct 2014 #234

All that goes out the window AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #236

Same post could have been made in 2006. JonLP24 Oct 2014 #237

Then why bother waste money on primary elections? davidn3600 Oct 2014 #241

Okay. LWolf Oct 2014 #246

And if she is the nominee, I'll vote for her. Shadowflash Oct 2014 #251

That would be unfortunate and undemocratic. merrily Oct 2014 #252

No one knows the future. Deal with that having been launched from my mother WELL before Autumn Oct 2014 #261

Yep. Not sure we are capable of doing better. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #264

Well, that's a fascinating stance for a poster who writes OP's woo me with science Oct 2014 #276

Not O'Malley. Not Webb. KamaAina Oct 2014 #283

I'm not sure whether Hillary will run or not, but I agree about Warren and Sanders. Beacool Oct 2014 #286

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