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Mojorabbit

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96. Have you ever been to nursing school?

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:33 AM

Oct 2014

Nurses do know hygiene. They work with people in isolation for infectious disease. It is parting of their training. What a crappy thing to say.

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If the CDC's Ebola guidance and protocols for healthcare workers are [View all] kestrel91316 Oct 2014 OP

Thanks for saying this. enlightenment Oct 2014 #1

The government-hating here is on par with what you see on FR from teabaggers. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #5

CDC says they are rethinking their protocols. LisaL Oct 2014 #14

Thank you, and they are Warpy Oct 2014 #36

I have been on private physician boards discussing this today Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #91

One can look what doctors without borders wear, and what in CDC guidelines, to see LisaL Oct 2014 #101

Oh you should see when there's an animal health issue. Then they all attack me. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #12

I'm not sure what's going on with all this. enlightenment Oct 2014 #25

What you seem to be missing boston bean Oct 2014 #2

Blaming CDC for what is most likely an accidental oops by a nurse is repugnant. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #3

You so sure about that, eh? boston bean Oct 2014 #6

Well if they are the kind of people who have to be continually harangued about washing their kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #8

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #20

Kestrel runs a veterinary hospital Aerows Oct 2014 #23

But can she count? LisaL Oct 2014 #24

I will refrain from Aerows Oct 2014 #26

Don't you think she knows full well that it's way premature to claim nobody else got infected? LisaL Oct 2014 #30

I don't think her OP Aerows Oct 2014 #31

I called no one an idiot or shit stirrer boston bean Oct 2014 #27

The disease is terrifying Warpy Oct 2014 #38

Thank you. I was getting pissed of at some comments. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #95

She is also not a nurse who has worked in a hospital with a severely ill ebola patient. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #94

I'm so beffuddled by the way this has been handled Aerows Oct 2014 #22

There is a difference between making a mistake, touching your nose, and having to be constantly uppityperson Oct 2014 #82

I think part of the problem is that there is a difference between knowing proper procedure and hedgehog Oct 2014 #118

I am going to take issue with "accidental oops by the nurse" etherealtruth Oct 2014 #19

I think it comes down to exactly what you are saying Aerows Oct 2014 #51

And that ALSO is not the CDC's fault. It could very well be profiteering hospital bean kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #67

No, not all etherealtruth Oct 2014 #98

I am wondering the same thing - it's not possible to follow the CDC protocols hedgehog Oct 2014 #108

If it is any of those things, why do we only have the ONE nurse with Ebola???? kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #4

Take it up with Frieden. boston bean Oct 2014 #7

He knows nurses don't know hygiene. He's just being realistic. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #9

Wow. boston bean Oct 2014 #18

Well, if the nurses don't know hygiene, how do you expect them to take care of Ebola patient? LisaL Oct 2014 #21

Nurses don't know hygiene? Not "a nurse made an error" but "nurses don't know hygiene"? uppityperson Oct 2014 #83

Have you ever been to nursing school? Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #96

Thank you for calling her on that, on complete agreement with you. uppityperson Oct 2014 #100

Probably just as well that southlandshari no longer frequents DU. KamaAina Oct 2014 #116

Are you kidding me? Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #123

Only five days since Mr. Duncan died. LisaL Oct 2014 #11

Here is a Hello? Aerows Oct 2014 #28

Don't count your chickens before they hatched. LisaL Oct 2014 #10

I was watching AC360 and the statement was raised that the reason the CDC recommendation is LiberalArkie Oct 2014 #13

I saw it.Dr. Gupta tried to follow the protocol using chocolate syrup to see if he got contaminated. LisaL Oct 2014 #16

Well, you can't possibly cost the hospital CEO money Aerows Oct 2014 #17

Exactly. Somebody would have Frieden's head if he dared to issue guidelines that cut kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #69

Here are the 2 preferred outfits, I would not wear the one on the right LiberalArkie Oct 2014 #29

Even the one on the left appears to be less than what doctors without borders wear. LisaL Oct 2014 #37

Excellent observation. Aerows Oct 2014 #15

Thank you for saying this SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #32

You can't make this conclusions on the basis that one person didn't get infected LisaL Oct 2014 #39

Totally different situations SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #43

OMG. LisaL Oct 2014 #45

Tell it to the international aid agencies that are teaching her methods SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #47

Because these countries have no room in the hospitals LisaL Oct 2014 #48

Why won't you answer the question I asked? SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #50

Why don't you answer this: LisaL Oct 2014 #52

You first SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #54

Can you answer my questions? LisaL Oct 2014 #55

Sorry, no pony for you SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2014 #58

I don't need a pony. LisaL Oct 2014 #59

The CDC has been blaming the nurse for "breaching" its protocols, pnwmom Oct 2014 #46

CDC has not blamed this nurse specifically. They do have strong reason to believe that SOMEBODY kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #71

Because incubation period hasn't passed yet? LisaL Oct 2014 #74

For the same reason that many medical mistakes happen only sometimes. pnwmom Oct 2014 #77

That probably is going to be the case. It still doesn't translate into "stupid Frieden" kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #79

Ebola transmission factor is R2 Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #33

Exactly n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First Oct 2014 #35

The hospital was not prepared to treat him gwheezie Oct 2014 #40

You can talke a look at the photos from the hospitals that are biosafety level 4 and see that LisaL Oct 2014 #44

Clearly there is a difference gwheezie Oct 2014 #70

So do you blame CDC for your hospital's lack of preparedness, or do you blame kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #72

Hospital admin gwheezie Oct 2014 #89

asymptomatic perhaps? ecstatic Oct 2014 #41

Why are you taking everything to such an extreme? There's a difference between "horribly flawed" pnwmom Oct 2014 #42

Kestrel is just stating the bland and solid truth. Aerows Oct 2014 #49

What she says is nowhere near the truth. LisaL Oct 2014 #53

I don't have the medical knowledge Aerows Oct 2014 #56

When she is asking where are the other medical care workers who worked Mr. Duncan, LisaL Oct 2014 #57

I didn't realize that you didn't know Aerows Oct 2014 #60

What does that have to do with a price of tea in China? LisaL Oct 2014 #61

About the same that my answers to your questions Aerows Oct 2014 #62

How so? Who here is saying that the protocols are "horribly flawed" pnwmom Oct 2014 #68

Plenty of people all day have been screeching about horrible Frieden and the horrible guidelines. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #80

I wasn't among them. You can see my posts here. I haven't posted anything stronger than what's here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #92

Folks, this isn't binary. lapislzi Oct 2014 #104

Agreed. Which is why I posted this: pnwmom Oct 2014 #105

Brilliant. lapislzi Oct 2014 #109

A very reasonable post! Someone questioned above why the CDC is reviewing its hedgehog Oct 2014 #110

Exactly, thank you. Iam glad to see others recognizing the multiple issues uppityperson Oct 2014 #128

Totally agree. These protocols work, when they are followed. morningfog Oct 2014 #63

CDC is rethinking the protocols. LisaL Oct 2014 #64

Yes, human inability to follow protocols may require new morningfog Oct 2014 #66

We never had an Ebola patient in a regular (not bisoafetly level 4) hospital before. LisaL Oct 2014 #73

Sorry you couldn't follow the post. But not surprised. morningfog Oct 2014 #76

The post made no sense. LisaL Oct 2014 #102

protocols and CDC KMOD Oct 2014 #65

I am beginning to think that we should do enhanced training at regional medical centers and send kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #75

Yes, kestrel91316 KMOD Oct 2014 #78

Deadly infectious diseases are nothing new. Isolation wards are nothing new. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #81

hyperbole KMOD Oct 2014 #84

Um, in theory. But certainly not in practice. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #87

Nah, not even close. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #88

Very good idea. And that means you would be changing the CDC's current protocol pnwmom Oct 2014 #93

It wouldn't change the PPE protocol, which is what all the kerfuffle is about. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #106

Your self righteousness is getting a little hard to stomach B2G Oct 2014 #107

The BLS 4 designation is used in research labs because there is hedgehog Oct 2014 #113

Actually, Ebola is far more contagious than tuberculosis, HIV, hepatitis, etc. pnwmom Oct 2014 #120

As it turns out, Tuberculosis currently has about the same Reproduction number as hedgehog Oct 2014 #122

But not the same number of viruses in a teaspoon. And people don't usually get TB pnwmom Oct 2014 #124

Since you ask - Ebola hedgehog Oct 2014 #125

But TB can be treated. My niece got it from someone in her elementary school class. pnwmom Oct 2014 #126

There are strains of tb that are resistant to all known antibiotics and that is very scary uppityperson Oct 2014 #129

I realize that. But there are no strains of Ebola that can be treated now, and it's far more pnwmom Oct 2014 #131

There you go again with that dichotomous thinking mixed up with broadbrush insults uppityperson Oct 2014 #85

I'm just citing the many peer-reviewed articles that show kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #86

Automatically assuming anything when dealing with something like ebola is a mistake Fumesucker Oct 2014 #90

Uh.Huh. Nurses don't know hygiene, "supposedly" medical professionals needing endless badgering tow uppityperson Oct 2014 #99

Hmmm. A vet finally dishes out what we've been on the receiving end of for well over a century as a kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #117

wtf. I know good & bad drs and vets uppityperson Oct 2014 #121

Checklists save lives but doctors don't want to admit that Recursion Oct 2014 #97

You need a medical degree to know to wash your hands? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #103

You obviously have never worked in a hospital. Avalux Oct 2014 #112

I won't blame the nurse, but sometimes mistakes are made. That's just they way it is. Avalux Oct 2014 #111

Another reasonable post! hedgehog Oct 2014 #115

Even if she wasn't a stringent hand washer, does anyone REALLY believe TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #114

I agree that the buddy system is a vital part of keeping everyone safe. hedgehog Oct 2014 #119

It only takes one to breach containment Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #127

Dr. Gupta - How can people in proper gear contract Ebola? LeftInTX Oct 2014 #130