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karynnj

(60,954 posts)
24. I wouldn't be surprised and how the story could work is obvious
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

and, in fact, possibly already started. For instance, Grimes has gotten backing from both Clintons - as she distances from Obama. Then there is Pryor in Arkansas. Hillary has committed to working for 2014 -- and that is absolutely for the good - for both herself and Democrats. The same with Clinton. I suspect that we CAN count on the Clintons whenever their own interests align with ours. There is no question that they can be effective.

The bad side is that if Obama (and the rest of the P5) are able to get an acceptable result with Iran, will the Clintons play politics with it -- engaging the ever ready Netanyahu in the process? Also, if the changes in Israel/Palestine start to create pressure in Israel to actually seriously work for a 2 state solution, will the Clintons play a role in holding out that they would give Israel a better deal?

What we already see is that Panetta and others are really with the Republicans against what really is a remarkable shift on the part of Obama on Iraq/Syria/etc. The problem is a huge knot - and it is not clear that it can be unknotted.

In terms of US opinion, Obama is facing derision and attacks from BOTH the left - which would be happier if the US just left and conceded the area was hopeless and we had no chance of being helpful AND the Republicans, the neo-cons and the whole Clinton wing of the Democratic party - who want a full scale attack on Assad. ( Read this completely useless WP editorial from Sunday - http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-is-complicit-as-it-blames-turkey-for-the-catastrophe-in-kobane/2014/10/10/b0189c64-508c-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html )

I suspect that with Panetta and the Clintons are willing to continue the neo con policies that the NYT and WP will support, unlike Obama and Kerry, who are trying to change AWAY from the neo con policies. The US President has a huge amount of power in setting the policy, but it is much harder when the strongest media voices, the opposite party AND a strong wing of his own party are against him.

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But but but malaise Oct 2014 #1
I loathe people like Panetta. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2014 #2
Same here malaise Oct 2014 #3
Just a tad suspicious. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #8
Gee I wonder. TBF Oct 2014 #13
I wouldn't be surprised and how the story could work is obvious karynnj Oct 2014 #24
because he wants to be part of when the "old gang" is back together again. nt Javaman Oct 2014 #18
+1 riversedge Oct 2014 #5
I'd be shocked if Panetta hasn't thought through the ramifications of what he's saying Fumesucker Oct 2014 #4
Could HRC be dangling the possibility of a cabinet appointment before him? Divernan Oct 2014 #6
He's already been there and done that. Doesn't make sense. MADem Oct 2014 #16
This might answer your question Fumesucker Oct 2014 #21
Well, whoop, there it is!!! nt MADem Oct 2014 #29
Could it be that he believes in some version of the neocon ideas? karynnj Oct 2014 #25
I can't speak for him at all, certainly not based on an encounter going back two-plus decades. MADem Oct 2014 #27
Yep - it was the centerfold that the Republicans entrusted their message to on Saturday karynnj Oct 2014 #30
His latest ad is a spelling bee, by those Crossroads jerks. MADem Oct 2014 #31
or VP... Clinton/Panetta 2015 is what he's hoping for. n/t JaneQPublic Oct 2014 #17
That would never happen. former9thward Oct 2014 #20
I think he's too old. Really. MADem Oct 2014 #28
I'm sure he has. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2014 #7
Well, he can't rethink it now.... ReRe Oct 2014 #15
So the President hired a Clinton Pod Person MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #9
and to think that there are still others roaming the halls Supersedeas Oct 2014 #19
Sadly, the reality is that you need to rethink your understanding of how things work. eomer Oct 2014 #10
Oh please. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2014 #11
OK,thanks for clarifying. eomer Oct 2014 #12
Panetta needs to go leap in a garbage dumpster davidpdx Oct 2014 #14
Pretty much. What's really sad is that Obama treated him well--it's not like Obama TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #23
Panetta had no influence on defense policy. He was a semi-retired figurehead. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #22
True, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #32
the almighty dollar spanone Oct 2014 #26
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