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Dawgs

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70. So, what's wrong in telling everyone what they already know?

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:57 PM

Oct 2014

Not giving up her privacy and answering the question awkwardly may cost her the election. Is protecting her privacy really worth all of the work she put? I don't think so.

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Who Cares who Alison Lundergan Grimes Voted For? [View all] riqster Oct 2014 OP

This is a silly defense of a campaign faux pas tritsofme Oct 2014 #1

She has the same rights as you or I. riqster Oct 2014 #2

LOL, what a silly response..... Logical Oct 2014 #15

Not at all. The right to privacy is not all-encompassing. riqster Oct 2014 #17

I agree 100%! peace13 Oct 2014 #106

Yep. riqster Oct 2014 #107

She has the right not to answer, just as Mittens had the right not to disclose his taxes onenote Oct 2014 #122

I think she's handled the questions very well. Paladin Oct 2014 #3

Bullshit, imagine a GOP candidate doing that about Bush, we would.... Logical Oct 2014 #18

I don't understand what her problem is... abakan Oct 2014 #44

And not true tazkcmo Oct 2014 #80

In my entire life I have never voted for a republican and I am not afraid to tell anyone who asks. abakan Oct 2014 #94

I responded to your statement tazkcmo Oct 2014 #110

She doesn't want the soundbite of "I voted for President Obama" branford Oct 2014 #111

She really dropped the ball on it. Idiotic. Nt Logical Oct 2014 #14

Why are candidates obligated to reveal their voting history? riqster Oct 2014 #21

aargh. one more time. candidates are not being forced to reveal their voting histories cali Oct 2014 #28

Acting as though she is obligated to answer sets up a false paradigm. riqster Oct 2014 #33

what on earth does that even mean?? cali Oct 2014 #40

I'll break it down. riqster Oct 2014 #45

It's almost like taking the 5th Amendment dumbcat Oct 2014 #65

Well put. In fact, I wish I had said it that way. riqster Oct 2014 #68

She is being criticized for THE WAY SHE ANSWERED, not because she has the right to keep it secret. Dawgs Oct 2014 #67

Because of two things: riqster Oct 2014 #69

Everyone already knows that she voted for Obama. Dawgs Oct 2014 #71

No, no one knows that. You assume it. riqster Oct 2014 #74

Lol, they are not. Just like they don't have to answer any policy question..... Logical Oct 2014 #57

Personal information is neither policy nor public information. riqster Oct 2014 #62

Such a narrow view tazkcmo Oct 2014 #78

not according to Chucky Todd Supersedeas Oct 2014 #123

If I told you I voted for Reagan... brooklynite Oct 2014 #4

A good point, but that is more tactical realpolitik. riqster Oct 2014 #5

what specific rights are you talking about? asking her if she voted for Obama cali Oct 2014 #8

Being compelled to answer makes it no longer a secret. riqster Oct 2014 #13

She is not being compelled. To compel means forced to. cali Oct 2014 #24

Poor choice of words on my part, there. Point taken. riqster Oct 2014 #31

"so many people"? Mitchy and his crew? cali Oct 2014 #43

That is a valid critique, but doesn't invalidate my point. riqster Oct 2014 #46

There are a great many rights you give up (voluntarily) when you run for office... brooklynite Oct 2014 #47

Expectations in some cases, law in others. riqster Oct 2014 #52

...and they HAVE that right...with the risk that comes with it. brooklynite Oct 2014 #56

Oh, I agree. riqster Oct 2014 #61

But tazkcmo Oct 2014 #84

I agree, it's as relevant as the examples you cite. riqster Oct 2014 #89

In an election there is nothing else but tactical realpolitik hack89 Oct 2014 #39

Short term, perhaps. riqster Oct 2014 #48

It's a sign her advisors are incompetent Proud Public Servant Oct 2014 #6

That is electoral tactics, and you may be correct on that level. riqster Oct 2014 #12

The Republican ads would conveniently cut-off the " . . ., but let me tell you . . ." branford Oct 2014 #112

Unfortunately.. sendero Oct 2014 #121

describing Mitch McConnell as "bitchy"? really? cali Oct 2014 #7

I think the question of our rights is a valid one. riqster Oct 2014 #10

It's sexist and it's against DU rules. I won't alert, but I'm sure you know this. cali Oct 2014 #26

Point, thanks. I'll edit. riqster Oct 2014 #32

Glad it wasn't just me that thought it was hyper-partisan. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #153

Mitch voted for Sarah Palin in 2008. He should be disqualified. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #9

Or at least have his head examined. nt riqster Oct 2014 #11

I don't care. bigwillq Oct 2014 #16

Good on you! That is the point. riqster Oct 2014 #19

Well, I am sure some will disagree. bigwillq Oct 2014 #20

Just so. That's debate, and it's healthy. riqster Oct 2014 #22

Oh, I agree. bigwillq Oct 2014 #25

Yup. Entertaining and enlightening. riqster Oct 2014 #35

What if she voted for Bush? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #23

As I said, I don't care. Warren once voted Repub, as she herself said. riqster Oct 2014 #37

who she voted for is nobodys business belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #27

Damn straight. riqster Oct 2014 #38

The voters of KY, however, are free to disagree with that opinion. branford Oct 2014 #113

privacy in the voting booth is not an "opinion" belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #133

You cannot demand what voters should believe is important in an election. branford Oct 2014 #138

But there is no evidence that the majority disagree with her? kentuck Oct 2014 #144

respectfully this is utter nonsense. imo belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #157

She was correct not to fall into McConnell's framing of this election. merrily Oct 2014 #29

I suspect you are correct about her tactics. riqster Oct 2014 #41

I'm starting to care about who ordered her to distance herself from the President. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #30

Is Reading Comprehension a lost art? MM said explicitly and clearly, "to not ANNOUNCE...." WinkyDink Oct 2014 #34

Well, I don 't care Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #36

I think how she's tried to distance herself from the President... TDale313 Oct 2014 #42

A fair point. But I still don't care who she voted for. riqster Oct 2014 #50

This is such dangerous territory imo. jen63 Oct 2014 #93

Just so. riqster Oct 2014 #96

"But I still don't care who she voted for." Seeking Serenity Oct 2014 #102

Nope. Kentucky Dems chose her as their nominee. Their call. riqster Oct 2014 #104

Best answer would be, "Maybe I did, maybe I didn't, and that's the truth". Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #49

I myself prefer "None of your business". But that's just me. riqster Oct 2014 #53

Wendy Davis became famous for standing in opposition to abortion restrictions... brooklynite Oct 2014 #51

I can see that, but I don't think it's analogous. riqster Oct 2014 #55

Possible answers... NCTraveler Oct 2014 #54

Shouldn't be a big deal. That is why I wrote my OP. riqster Oct 2014 #59

Gotta tell ya regster...... NCTraveler Oct 2014 #60

Because she could clear it up so easily with "Yes, yes I did." Arkana Oct 2014 #58

But that requires her to give up her privacy. riqster Oct 2014 #64

So, what's wrong in telling everyone what they already know? Dawgs Oct 2014 #70

I disagree. Our privacy rights are in such tatters now. riqster Oct 2014 #72

You might applaud it, but others may not, and it might cost her the election. Dawgs Oct 2014 #73

Her answer is simple. "NOYFB". Phrased differently, of course. riqster Oct 2014 #75

I get it. You're concerned with the way she answered the question. Dawgs Oct 2014 #79

No, I'm not really concerned with how she answered the question. riqster Oct 2014 #85

I'll let someone else explain it for me. Dawgs Oct 2014 #108

Hence, the sad state of political debates... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #76

I don't see it as relevant. It was a bear trap that she wisely chose not to step into. riqster Oct 2014 #82

Do you really believe it was about privacy IL Lib Oct 2014 #139

We can bet she voted Dem. But she isn't obligated to help the Repubs create misleading sound bites. riqster Oct 2014 #141

Agree. kentuck Oct 2014 #145

I think it's now defined as, "anything Mitch says is a gaffe ". riqster Oct 2014 #147

My question was if it was about privacy why did she offer that she was a Clinton Democrat? IL Lib Oct 2014 #158

You can volunteer to give the people all the information you want... kentuck Oct 2014 #159

And depressing that so many would rather help Mcconnell win than vote for a Dem. riqster Oct 2014 #160

What is too bad is that she is being disingenuous. n/t IL Lib Oct 2014 #161

Yep, and I'd take it as an opportunity to rail against both parties on class issues Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #148

Yertle was trying to get Alison to say the O-word KamaAina Oct 2014 #63

Most likely. Good on her for not playing into his hands. riqster Oct 2014 #66

i have to quibble with ur op's wording questionseverything Oct 2014 #86

Good clarification on voting processes. riqster Oct 2014 #87

np questionseverything Oct 2014 #88

Yep. It's why we need an explicit affirmation of our right to a secret ballot. riqster Oct 2014 #92

agreed questionseverything Oct 2014 #95

Election integrity is not sufficiently prioritized here, or in the nation as a whole. riqster Oct 2014 #97

and yet we keep trying questionseverything Oct 2014 #98

The question is fadedrose Oct 2014 #77

"What did she vote and when did she vote it?" riqster Oct 2014 #90

I agree fadedrose Oct 2014 #99

. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #81

If we have no right to a secret ballot, then why do they have curtains around the booths? liberal N proud Oct 2014 #83

Sadly, they have not. Too busy crapping on Grimes. riqster Oct 2014 #91

Apparently the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is pulling out of Kentucky kelly1mm Oct 2014 #100

I felt just sick when I saw the article a bit ago. riversedge Oct 2014 #103

Me too. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. riqster Oct 2014 #105

Reading beyond the headline, riqster.. Alison's campaign is reported to have lots of money and Cha Oct 2014 #120

The perfect reply would be, I voted with the majority of people! B Calm Oct 2014 #101

What was wrong with just stating Maedhros Oct 2014 #109

What's wrong is it's none of our business. riqster Oct 2014 #116

I'm personally not concerned with how she voted. Maedhros Oct 2014 #117

Yeah, she could have told them to mind their own business in a forceful manner. riqster Oct 2014 #118

Obama's job approval in Kentucky is a little over 30%... Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #149

Um...then don't run as a Democrat? Maedhros Oct 2014 #150

The idea is to champion the principles but mention the brand name as little as possible Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #151

So you are, in essence, advocating that the voters should be misled Maedhros Oct 2014 #156

Excellent question. kentuck Oct 2014 #155

Politicians run on their goddamned voting records. Orsino Oct 2014 #114

The voting records you cite are not the same, and I suspect you know it. riqster Oct 2014 #115

That does not make her dodge any less stupid or cowardly. Orsino Oct 2014 #119

Who the fuck cares. JEB Oct 2014 #124

From your lips to God's ear. riqster Oct 2014 #125

If she didn't vote for Obama, it shows incredibly bad judgement on her part muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #126

I assume she did. It just ain't none of our nevermind. riqster Oct 2014 #127

She's standing for public office muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #128

I disagree. The secret ballot is for us all. riqster Oct 2014 #129

The political beliefs of a candidate aren't our business? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #130

Yep. Because the Dem voters of Kentucky picked her as their candidate. riqster Oct 2014 #131

It's relevant information for the voters of Kentucky muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #134

I think privacy trumps such requests. riqster Oct 2014 #135

This is not about 'privacy', it's about her politics muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #136

Crap. The Repubs care not a bit about Dem loyalty. riqster Oct 2014 #137

If Democrats cringe so much they won't admit to voting Democratic, then they need bashing muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #142

She did. She said her ballot was a secret ballot. riqster Oct 2014 #146

Petty rock Oct 2014 #132

I partially understood the first gaffe, but making the same ecstatic Oct 2014 #140

What evidence makes it a "gaffe"? kentuck Oct 2014 #143

Well our track record on privacy is not much better. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #152

It would fit the pattern. riqster Oct 2014 #154