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FLPanhandle

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9. What about other risks?

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:16 PM

Oct 2014

Would you trade being in that room for a 100 mile drive? go outside for hike in the woods? go for a swim in ocean? take a medication prescribed by your doctor?

All those other things are FAR more likely to kill you than sitting in a room with an Ebola patient. Yet people think nothing of doing any of the above.

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We shouldn't underestimate it: Ebola is FAR more contagious than HIV or hepatitis. [View all] pnwmom Oct 2014 OP

What about that breakthrough that AIDs treatment stops the Ebola virus? loudsue Oct 2014 #1

If somebody does a controlled study of it, then sit up and take notice. Otherwise, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #4

It's not a breakthrough yet -- the NIH is considering studying it. Also, it can cause liver damage. pnwmom Oct 2014 #5

Yes. It takes only a few virons to infect someone. closeupready Oct 2014 #2

Even rabies, which is terrifying, only has that nasty 100% mortality rate if you don't get kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #3

interesting article melm00se Oct 2014 #6

There are different ways to view it. But I'd much rather be in a room with someone pnwmom Oct 2014 #7

with all three diseases melm00se Oct 2014 #8

But there's always the possibility of getting into contact with something they touched pnwmom Oct 2014 #10

(Warning: snark alert) there's always the possibility melm00se Oct 2014 #14

I'm not recommending panic, obsession, or false bravado. pnwmom Oct 2014 #15

The grocery cart........ KentuckyWoman Oct 2014 #23

How often does HIV or Hepatitis result in projectile vomiting and explosive bloody diarrhea? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #31

Brown vomit the same color (and smell) as the diarrhea HockeyMom Oct 2014 #58

Exactly, but what member of the HIV related illnesses or hepatitis does that? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #61

None HockeyMom Oct 2014 #62

What about other risks? FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #9

Not true. It is not hard to get Ebola from touching something that an Ebola patient pnwmom Oct 2014 #11

No it isn't. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #12

Merely touching something CAN transmit the virus, because it is very common to touch something pnwmom Oct 2014 #16

Sorry, you are asserting the virus is easy to catch without any data FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #18

Infectious disease experts say it's highly contagious. closeupready Oct 2014 #20

Give me a link to one controlled study FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #21

Why should I do that? closeupready Oct 2014 #24

Because the CDC and WHO disagree with your assertion FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #25

Where is your link about that "one CDC study"? n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #36

Our friend knows nothing and has nothing. Except probably kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #39

The CDC references the study DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #49

The cited paragraph was taken out of context. pnwmom Oct 2014 #53

In addition to not knowing what fomites are, you don't know a thing about the ethics of kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #28

So you have nothing FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #30

Please cite your epidemiological credentials so i can decide whether kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #38

PANIC PANIC PANIC FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #40

Oooohhh, you can cut and paste links!!!! Makes you the real expert. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #43

You also apparently flunked vocabulary 101 in First Grade. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #46

WHO says 10k new cases a week can be expected and upped the death rate to 70% Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #45

If you draw from that finding that Ebola is highly contagious, I agree. closeupready Oct 2014 #64

Highly infectious. High mortality rate. NOT highly contagious. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #68

For medical professionals, sure. For most of us, not much difference closeupready Oct 2014 #73

Dr. Bruce Ribner, one of the infectious disease specialists at Emory, pnwmom Oct 2014 #34

I don't think anybody has EVER said it was as contagious as the flu or common cold. Chemisse Oct 2014 #56

2 people touch a surface. You do so next, then rub your nose. You are more likely to uppityperson Oct 2014 #22

Our friend has clearly never heard of fomites. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #47

You mean like, maybe, touching some part of the personal protection gear HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #26

Some of this is parsing technical views....a viral particle in the air HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #52

We don't really think of dust motes as fomites. If it floats across the room, it's an "aerosol". kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #54

Not thinking of dust mote but, rather spittle, contaminated heavier than air exudates HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #55

Spittle is typically > 100 microns (I may be wrong on this) so doesn't float around. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #57

Right and particles aren't always independent of 'stuff' on which they are expelled. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #59

There's a huge difference between the early stages and the later stages Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #63

Recommend. nt Zorra Oct 2014 #13

And that is why gratuitous Oct 2014 #17

Hardy har har. pnwmom Oct 2014 #29

+1 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #48

ATM it would be foolish to just dismiss it off hand. Rex Oct 2014 #19

Not only more contagious Faux pas Oct 2014 #27

CDC faq on ebola transmission azurnoir Oct 2014 #33

"At peak of illness." In other words, very infectious just before death. morningfog Oct 2014 #35

Ebola is a real threat. We should not be treating it with such disdain and disinterest. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #37

I was thinking about wearing my weeding gloves out and about....I have lots of them Tumbulu Oct 2014 #42

Good idea. I have skin problems and lots of surgical gloves. I think I will take them with me when JDPriestly Oct 2014 #76

And far LESS contagious than flu, dengue, malaria, chikungunya, or even the plague. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #41

Link, please. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #50

None of those need direct contact. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #51

No. Though I would prefer that babies have a version, if possible, without mercury. pnwmom Oct 2014 #65

You are souring the "everything is alright" meme! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #44

It really isn't more contagious. Just much more lethal. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #60

That depends on how you define contagious. pnwmom Oct 2014 #66

High viral load = highly INFECTIOUS, not highly contagious DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #67

Dr. Bruce Ribner, one of the specialists on the infectious disease team taking care of Ebola pnwmom Oct 2014 #69

exactly, one droplet from a cough or sneeze can be enough Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #74

And that's what R0 expresses. How contagious is this virus? longship Oct 2014 #72

People don't seem to understand how to interpret R0. LisaL Oct 2014 #70

That is the dumbest thing I have read about R0. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #71

Did you actually read the article? LisaL Oct 2014 #75