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cbayer

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17. Hospitals are a sometimes precarious balance between business and medicine.

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:21 AM

Oct 2014

The Joint Commission and Medicare both have very strict rules and regulations that try and enforce that balance.

Health Care Facilities can not just "decide to skip it" when it comes to protocols about infectious and contagious diseases. If they do, they risk losing their accreditation.

Here is the Joint Commissions latest recommendations, which include a reminder that this falls under already established standards which must be met in order to maintain accreditation.

http://www.jointcommission.org/issues/article.aspx?Article=bNSaHxs7eXC5KNKTEr1p6HInnh851az0ohgVLX1BCTw%3D

In the end, medical safety will override finances when it comes to this specific issue. No hospital board wants to be under the bright lights of the media when it comes to something as hot as this.

I object to your OP because I think it is an unnecessary scare tactic to promote the idea that hospitals are not establishing and abiding by protocols and are making purely financial decisions.

It's just not true.

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One of the real problems with Ebola and U.S. hospitals is [View all] MineralMan Oct 2014 OP

So, it was common sense to question what others were saying, right? boston bean Oct 2014 #1

Actually, we do know what to do. MineralMan Oct 2014 #3

I'd like to see which type of personal protective gear was used in each. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #10

Yes. I have no information, really, on that. MineralMan Oct 2014 #13

Yet, you want me to investigate hospitals in my area and determine factually boston bean Oct 2014 #20

I know exactly what the hospitals in my area are doing to MineralMan Oct 2014 #21

Oh you do. CDC thought they knew what TX was doing too. boston bean Oct 2014 #23

He's the Voice of Authority DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #35

I notice a lot of those "voices" seeing things a bit differently. boston bean Oct 2014 #38

Mark my words: It's not going to happen. MineralMan Oct 2014 #40

we'll bookmark this.... and time will tell. boston bean Oct 2014 #41

+1000000000 nt Zorra Oct 2014 #50

Patients in Nebraska were in a Bio Level FOUR Unit TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #18

Nada riverwalker Oct 2014 #30

Knowledge is not the same as implementation. MineralMan Oct 2014 #32

+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #37

We have the best health care money can buy. That would be more accurate. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #4

We don't do so well with public health emergencies, though. MineralMan Oct 2014 #6

You are probably right marions ghost Oct 2014 #2

Yes. I hope the wake-up call from Texas is heard. MineralMan Oct 2014 #5

The next problem is that when it's not headed by an MBA, it's headed by an MD. hedgehog Oct 2014 #7

Nurses, of course, are the primary health care providers, MineralMan Oct 2014 #8

People think they go to the hospital to see the doctors, hedgehog Oct 2014 #14

RN staffs are thinning in most facilities. MineralMan Oct 2014 #16

Clearly true on patients being turned away MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #9

We don't disagree on this. MineralMan Oct 2014 #12

Where do you get this information? cbayer Oct 2014 #11

Hospitals are run as businesses in most cases. MineralMan Oct 2014 #15

Hospitals are a sometimes precarious balance between business and medicine. cbayer Oct 2014 #17

You're welcome to object to my OP as much as you like. MineralMan Oct 2014 #19

Thank! I wil anytime I think it is a FUD piece. cbayer Oct 2014 #27

Be my guest. I will continue to post as I choose. MineralMan Oct 2014 #31

Oh, I completely agree with you that there is a massive problem cbayer Oct 2014 #42

You must be very liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #46

No, I am not naive at all and I do have a significant amount of experience in this area. cbayer Oct 2014 #47

You have this exactly correct. The OP was written without a shred of data Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #58

Thanks Dreamer Tatum. cbayer Oct 2014 #64

The words "For Profit" and "Medical Care" shouldn't be put together - ever. Avalux Oct 2014 #22

I work at a not-for-profit magical thyme Oct 2014 #25

And I bet people are still bitching at how much you charge for services joeglow3 Oct 2014 #49

A society seriously at risk for a pandemic Fumesucker Oct 2014 #26

We used to have a much more robust public health system. MineralMan Oct 2014 #28

We need to think and plan BEYOND Ebola. Avalux Oct 2014 #52

Of course, when you have people who have certainly been exposed, yet who decide to hop a plane to tblue37 Oct 2014 #65

I work for a non-profit 151 bed hospital. ileus Oct 2014 #33

As you say. The problem exists in non-profit facilities, too. MineralMan Oct 2014 #36

exactly. and it's worse than that... magical thyme Oct 2014 #24

The Peter Principle at work. MineralMan Oct 2014 #29

I read that book back in the 70's Fumesucker Oct 2014 #34

It sure seems to. That's why I have been self-employed MineralMan Oct 2014 #39

Regulations require an MD as a lab director; it's really just a name on paper. Avalux Oct 2014 #53

As a former hospital administrator, I can tell you that your OP is partially correct. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #43

There are plenty of places where the top liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #44

An MD after your name doesn't make a hoot of difference when it comes to these decisions. The empressof all Oct 2014 #45

What is the answer? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #48

We pay more than any other nation, still don't cover everyone and get poorer results than most Fumesucker Oct 2014 #51

You didn't address the question asked. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #54

I don't have an answer, or at least one that's remotely likely to be actually implemented Fumesucker Oct 2014 #55

only because of how much ends up in the pockets of the investor class corkhead Oct 2014 #57

Then we need to report to the IRS and get millions in whistle blower fees joeglow3 Oct 2014 #59

I'm not competent to answer, really. MineralMan Oct 2014 #56

This is bullshit: "We demand top shelf services, but demand to pay next to nothing for it" Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #60

How do we spend less and get better results? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #62

If you are sincere, start here. If not, I'm not playing. Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #63

No, no, it's all Obama's fault. And Frieden's. And the epidemiologists'. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #61

Entropy. Rex Oct 2014 #66