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In reply to the discussion: CORRECTION: US Did Find Chemical Weapons in Iraq... The Ones They Sent There [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)8. Which makes the New York Times failure to publish all the more grievous.
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Now, the Times is actually pushing war as good for the economy:
The Pitfalls of Peace
The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth
Tyler Cowen
The New York Times, JUNE 13, 2014
The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.
An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.
The world just hasnt had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but todays casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.
Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nations longer-run prospects.
It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not todays entrepreneurial social media start-ups. The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology, to the benefit of later economic growth.
War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably speedy and decisive achievement these days.
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Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you dont get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but its something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.
Tyler Cowen is a professor of economics at George Mason University.
SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0
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CORRECTION: US Did Find Chemical Weapons in Iraq... The Ones They Sent There [View all]
Octafish
Oct 2014
OP
Lots of chemicals. Rumsfeld was a private citizen on a public errand for Reagan cough Bush...
Octafish
Oct 2014
#6
..."It was a very innocent request, which we were obligated to fulfill," recalls Monath.
Octafish
Oct 2014
#14
Someone should counter their revisionism with an op that provides facts.
Baitball Blogger
Oct 2014
#9
Yep. K&R. Rummy's pal Doug Feith is cited in another overlooked article from December 1986, Sir.
bobthedrummer
Oct 2014
#10
Yet that "dumbest fucking guy" Feith set up the Office of Special Plans with Paul Wolfowitz, which
bobthedrummer
Oct 2014
#19
The Niger memo is notorious for many reasons, it was a fabrication used along with other lies to in-
bobthedrummer
Oct 2014
#33
The Office of Strategic Influence/OSI was headed by former USAF Brig. Gen. Simon Peter Worden
bobthedrummer
Oct 2014
#38
True, Sir. The new angle is how it will help justify further warmongering via ISIS...
Octafish
Oct 2014
#25
Trying To Use Derelict Chemical Munitions, Sir, Is Pretty Much A Self-Correcting Problem
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#26
You mean George W Bush would not say the unvarnished, whole truth about something? Tell us all about
blkmusclmachine
Oct 2014
#21
I think I would get a lot more sleep if you didn't keep posting this schtuff.
rhett o rick
Oct 2014
#29
K&R Bookmarking for later use. Thanks Octafish and all who contributed to this thread.
Scuba
Oct 2014
#31
Time to arrest the whole damn lot of the military industrial complex and the BFEE.
Initech
Oct 2014
#34