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TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
29. I want to see his ass in a sling
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 01:16 PM
Oct 2014

Fired isn't anywhere good enough. The CDC is THE US authority on infection control, preparedness, protocols, etc. yet there's no question the CDC had it's head in their ass. They treated a biosafety level 4 infected patient with protocols for about a level 2.

Protective clothing only called for mask or face shield with no total head covering nor foot coverings nor disinfection of protective clothing before removing it. There was no supervision of workers that were untrained, and inexpert in utilizing the protective clothing to check for tears, gaps, etc., to make sure they were fully covered. There was no instruction to not perform high risk procedures on an end of life patient such as dialysis or ventilator. There was no instruction to use a minimum of caregivers and that those caregivers should not be also giving care to other patients. There was no instruction of the proper handling and destruction of waste materials or the handling of infectious samples from the patient nor the physical protection of those who handled the samples. They did not monitor and supervise the treatment and allowed the hospital to set up a makeshift Ebola ward out of the ICU that wasn't and couldn't be contained, there was no thought to whether or not the ICU had negative airflow or the use of suction that went into a standard receptacle, etc. There was no instruction for disinfecting the floor/wall areas where caregivers walked nor the disinfection of the bottoms of their shoes.

They claimed that any hospital could safely care for an Ebola patient, assured this hospital it could, and relied far too heavily on the inadequate protective clothing without disinfection as if it were an Ebola brick wall and so much so that despite these caregivers being the most exposed of anyone else since Mr. Duncan fell ill they didn't bother to quarantine or monitor their health.

Yet every single American infected with Ebola was flown to one of the nation's four hospitals equipped, prepared and staffed to handle a biosafety level 4 infected patient. Why in heaven's name did they not also do the same with Mr. Duncan? Why did they ignore complaints from experts in biosafety level 4 care and handling telling them they were screwing it up? Why else than to use Mr. Duncan, the Dallas hospital and all its staff as well as visitors and other patients as human guinea pigs as an experiment either in the hope to prove that any hospital could care successfully for a biosafety level 4 infected patient or to prove that our hospitals are woefully unprepared? Just what the hell was the CDC's point for so enormously fucking it up when THEY are supposed to be the nation's experts and gambled with so many peoples' lives?

Oh yes, the hospital enormously screwed up, but they did it having no expertise of their own and under the direction of and with the assurances of the CDC - THE nation's expert in infectious disease, preparedness and protocols.

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I think he should go. He had WAYYYY too much faith in regular hospitals' ability to TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #1
WTF? So the head of the CDC should do what exactly? Inspect every single hospital in the USA? KittyWampus Oct 2014 #11
No, he should have sent an all-hands-on-deck response team to oversee TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #18
Exactly... +1 Historic NY Oct 2014 #22
Then why did we know all about it in Connecticut? Atman Oct 2014 #89
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Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #56
+1B magical thyme Oct 2014 #117
No mcar Oct 2014 #2
+++++++ still_one Oct 2014 #4
+1 hedgehog Oct 2014 #15
The one doesn't rule out the other. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #46
Duncan should have been removed from that hospital ASAP and send into one of the 4 hospitals LisaL Oct 2014 #3
You repeatedly spout the same crap over and over. It isn't the CDC's fault that HOSPITALS KittyWampus Oct 2014 #10
Whose fault is that Ebola patient flew from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday? LisaL Oct 2014 #16
Whose fault? Jim Beard Oct 2014 #75
The hospital administrators and the Republican CDC budget-cutting Congress should be fired sketchy Oct 2014 #5
What YOU said! ^^^^^. . . . n/t annabanana Oct 2014 #48
No. But every hospital administrator in the country who has dropped the ball and failed to get their kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #6
No Marrah_G Oct 2014 #7
FFS, the CDC is in place to help with information, logistics, organization. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #8
Frieden Could Have Sent A Team Sooner erpowers Oct 2014 #64
Yes. Immediately and concurrent with the firing of the hospital administrator. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #9
Second Ebola patient flew from Cleveland to Dallas the day before she showed up in the hospital. LisaL Oct 2014 #12
People who work with sick patients still have civil rights. alarimer Oct 2014 #19
No, it's fine and dandy to travel all over the country while infected with Ebola. LisaL Oct 2014 #20
she wasnt considered one that day VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #28
After first nurse was diagnosed, CDC said all of those who cared for Mr. Duncan LisaL Oct 2014 #34
so how many do you want in these Ebola VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #37
Per CDC director, this woman wasn't supposed to have been traveling on commercial airline. LisaL Oct 2014 #40
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SHE wasnt quaratined.....and that is exactly VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #92
I heard it, too. 840high Oct 2014 #39
She may have been infected, but she was not infectious. morningfog Oct 2014 #59
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SHE wasnt quaratined....she was being observed.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #94
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apparently that is NOT the case.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #104
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Of course you don't....then you wouldn't have anything to be outraged about! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #106
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That may well be so....and I keep saying over and over....we have to take into account... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #108
Which you can not possibly know. LisaL Oct 2014 #67
yes qe DO know....you are not contagious until VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #95
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Could you afford to spend three weeks with no income? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #35
It's better to spread Ebola all over the country, I suppose. LisaL Oct 2014 #43
By what law is that. Jim Beard Oct 2014 #77
Per CDC, this woman shouldn't have been flying. LisaL Oct 2014 #86
The Executive in her city, county, state and nationally all have inherent police power for quarantin AngryAmish Oct 2014 #99
Can you afford to die and or spread disease? 840high Oct 2014 #44
I'm trying to describe reality as lot of Americans experience it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #61
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Then maybe we should consider turning efforts to keep ebola OUT in the first place, up to "11" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #118
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What makes you think they would be paid? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #57
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Nurses are threatened with termination if they don't come to work when sick Fumesucker Oct 2014 #69
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.... 840high Oct 2014 #70
Silly. Quarantines do not violate any civil right that I know of. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #98
surprised DustyJoe Oct 2014 #80
I think I can wait until we know how we did... Johonny Oct 2014 #13
Because what we need right now is not only the Surgeon General post vacant NuclearDem Oct 2014 #14
Exactly what I was thinkin'. jen63 Oct 2014 #83
NO. Holy shit people this is not a blame game! Avalux Oct 2014 #17
Agree. There is no perfect procedure. There is no guarantee that kiranon Oct 2014 #23
When bedside nurses say, as a group, "we are not prepared for this", someone best TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #25
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They didn't speak up until it was in their back yard. Avalux Oct 2014 #81
And replace him with whom? Someone new to the crisis? mainer Oct 2014 #21
He absolutely... onyourleft Oct 2014 #24
Yes, because he keeps giving everyone ebola. Iggo Oct 2014 #26
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Those nurses weren't "allowed" to care for other patients Fumesucker Oct 2014 #36
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I want to see his ass in a sling TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #33
no one is talking about that - it's his treatment we're talking about TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #110
The CDC DID NOT TREAT ANYONE. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #42
CDC was charge of monitoring Mr. Duncan's contacts. LisaL Oct 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #58
Yet, the CDC cleared the nurse to fly. philosslayer Oct 2014 #109
Plus 1000. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #65
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #87
Good questions... marions ghost Oct 2014 #96
I agree. The CDC has been telling us for months that "we're ready for ebola". Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #114
No. Blue_Roses Oct 2014 #31
We desperately need a Surgeon General in place. Lars39 Oct 2014 #38
What would a Surgeon General do YarnAddict Oct 2014 #88
At the very least be the face and mouthpiece, allowing the CDC to concentrate Lars39 Oct 2014 #90
George's Bush's Jim Beard Oct 2014 #91
I think he's our "Heckuva job Bownie". Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #41
They've even said themselves that they've "dropped the ball", now, twice I think. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #112
I think the blame falls on this hospital. Vinca Oct 2014 #47
Yes, but this is a national concern. If that hospital was the only thing standing in between apples and oranges Oct 2014 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #60
Decision was made to leave Mr. Duncan in the hospital. LisaL Oct 2014 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #68
I don't know if he would or wouldn't have survived. LisaL Oct 2014 #71
You are 100% correct. This is Texas Jim Beard Oct 2014 #82
Or maybe we could have done what some of us have been saying for months, and restrict entry to Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #113
Yes. I could have done a better job, quite frankly. He can be a spokesperson apples and oranges Oct 2014 #49
yes Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #55
No Kalidurga Oct 2014 #74
No riverwalker Oct 2014 #76
Agree etherealtruth Oct 2014 #79
Oh Lawd Jeebus! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #78
no mikehiggins Oct 2014 #84
No Tweedy Oct 2014 #85
No, I think that sort of thing is for show treestar Oct 2014 #93
Exactly right. GoCubsGo Oct 2014 #116
If we had single payer health care locks Oct 2014 #100
I think he's become complacent in his position notadmblnd Oct 2014 #101
I doubt he micromanages to that extent. Warpy Oct 2014 #102
maybe he should be demoted to answering the phones ctaylors6 Oct 2014 #103
Why? He's doing a heckuva job, isn't he? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #111
Yes, he sure does. LisaL Oct 2014 #115
Fer fucks sake MattBaggins Oct 2014 #119
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