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Warpy

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68. Still, no documented transmission

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 04:00 PM

Oct 2014

It's not an upper respiratory virus, although virus is present in saliva. Virus is present in saliva with HIV, too, but it's an incredibly inefficient way to transmit the virus.

The virus is fragile and has a very limited lifespan outside the human body. Sunlight kills it, as does UV-D. A contaminated surface would have to be freshly contaminated with blood, vomit, or diarrhea. You wouldn't want to touch it in any case.

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So this 2nd nurse was told not to fly and uh well she flew anyway [View all] npk Oct 2014 OP

People do a lot of things they are told not to do. LisaL Oct 2014 #1

True but unlike Duncan she is a nurse and American and has health insurance. snagglepuss Oct 2014 #116

That's not what she said. She said she called the CDC and they said it was ok to fly? WTF? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #124

She might be lying. But even so, she knew her situation and, as a nurse, as a human being, should WinkyDink Oct 2014 #140

People commit actual crimes, too. But this defiant action was particularly unconscionable. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #139

with a fever per new cdc info elehhhhna Oct 2014 #2

And her mom will now get on a plane to Atlanta B2G Oct 2014 #4

Where are you hearing this? Did Amber already have direct contact with her mom? nt ecstatic Oct 2014 #14

Yes, she was visiting her family in Ohio. nt B2G Oct 2014 #16

I presume she was in contact with mother while visiting her family in OH. LisaL Oct 2014 #18

This is crazy! I'm picturing how my family would have handled things ecstatic Oct 2014 #30

Why is mother even flying to Dallas, when this nurse is being transferred to Emory? LisaL Oct 2014 #7

From what I read, she was on a plane B2G Oct 2014 #15

Why hasn't she been put in quarantine? LisaL Oct 2014 #20

Because that would make too much sense. B2G Oct 2014 #21

Of course. LisaL Oct 2014 #23

Where the hell is that mother now? LisaL Oct 2014 #86

I remember people saying that about HIV victims. upaloopa Oct 2014 #78

Ebola is easier to transmit than HIV. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #80

If you are including Ebola in Africa that is different than ebola upaloopa Oct 2014 #81

Really? Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #88

Well in a village with Ebola people don't take the upaloopa Oct 2014 #90

That's kind of my point. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #93

Maybe go to Madow blog she explained it better than I ever can upaloopa Oct 2014 #95

None of that contradicts anything I've said. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #108

Fine. We have nothing to fear from Ebola upaloopa Oct 2014 #111

What makes it virulent is the massive amount of virus in an infected person and needs only to land snagglepuss Oct 2014 #117

which means she was contagious. boomer55 Oct 2014 #37

With a fever B2G Oct 2014 #3

The only medical experience I have is taking care of my RiffRandell Oct 2014 #63

if she survives, she should be charged with a crime notadmblnd Oct 2014 #73

The passenger who flew into Nigeria sick with it Warpy Oct 2014 #5

She is a medical professional. LisaL Oct 2014 #9

You really don't get it Warpy Oct 2014 #25

She already has symptoms when she flew back to Dallas. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

Actually, sneezing carries droplets which do qualify as bodily fluids. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #38

Ebola is not.an.upper.respiratory.virus Warpy Oct 2014 #56

Edited to get WHO's exact comments. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #58

globalresearch... SidDithers Oct 2014 #62

Is it bad? Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #94

It ain't good... SidDithers Oct 2014 #101

I went directly to WHO. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #103

I found the original WHO statements and linked to their website. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #102

Thanks... SidDithers Oct 2014 #105

Oh! Double thank you. n/t Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #106

Still, no documented transmission Warpy Oct 2014 #68

No argument here. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #136

I'm looking at the HIV model Warpy Oct 2014 #137

The unease will be erased over time. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #138

CDC info states that saliva may or may not have a sufficient viral load Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #99

I found the direct info from WHO. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #100

There is no documented case of transmission through upper respiratory fluids Warpy Oct 2014 #135

That's not entirely true. Researchers "do not know" if asymptomatic ecstatic Oct 2014 #50

And she was symptomatic already. LisaL Oct 2014 #54

another mistake the CDC made TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #133

Duncan wasn't symptomatic B2G Oct 2014 #10

Liberian-American Patrick Sawyer, which is who Warpy is referring to... countryjake Oct 2014 #91

He sure as hell was in that apartment Warpy Oct 2014 #134

explain the nbc cameraman and how he got it? boomer55 Oct 2014 #39

He wasn't suited up and was taping a decontamination area. Warpy Oct 2014 #60

The person that flew into Nigeria while ill was a diplomat in his own plane TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #132

According to WHO, Sawyer flew on commercial flights countryjake Oct 2014 #142

I don't know his name TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #143

The US ebola cases are stretching many assumptions about believibility HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #6

Will staff get on the plane and fly, while having a fever? LisaL Oct 2014 #17

Question...would that be worse than travelling on a train? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #26

in a way d_r Oct 2014 #32

In a city of millions, a bus or train rider can also expose myriads. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #46

I understand d_r Oct 2014 #130

What about a crowded subway at rush hour? bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #40

I.T. W.I.L.L. H.A.P.P.E.N. in New York city or some other major city. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #43

You're not supposed to take public transportation at all. amandabeech Oct 2014 #49

I would think not. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #51

Do hospitals provide the equipment and facilities to keep nurses safe? Warpy Oct 2014 #36

We do know. Wedding planning. LisaL Oct 2014 #44

Why she didn't call the CDC from her folks home, and have herself driven amandabeech Oct 2014 #53

Oh, FFS. That could have been handled via Skype Warpy Oct 2014 #61

She's "getting married" and traveled to Cleveland to plan her wedding and visit her mom and fiance. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #64

Yeah, her license is going to be pulled, or should be Warpy Oct 2014 #70

I doubt that will stick. Niceguy1 Oct 2014 #129

This reminds me of Katrina's aftermath. snagglepuss Oct 2014 #119

Totally believable. Iggo Oct 2014 #8

Of course npk Oct 2014 #22

since people are not following what they should in terms of movement/travel JI7 Oct 2014 #11

We have a no-fly list for a reason. B2G Oct 2014 #19

Was she told not to fly? ecstatic Oct 2014 #12

The departing flight back to Dallas was after diagnosis, and she already had a fever when she flew. LisaL Oct 2014 #13

She shouldn't have exposed others. Perhaps her mistaken choice was due to being sick. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #27

I don't follow. LisaL Oct 2014 #33

I agree she shouldn't have flown the first time. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #48

It was a low grade fever. LisaL Oct 2014 #55

Maybe her wedding planning was more important than the fear of spreading a deadly disease. Autumn Oct 2014 #35

it's clear that health care workers are not that informed or getting the training they need JI7 Oct 2014 #24

Yes CDC ordered all staff at the Texas medial center to avoid flying and public transprtation. npk Oct 2014 #28

Where did you see that? LisaL Oct 2014 #31

Here is one link, but it's been all over the news for weeks npk Oct 2014 #47

Looks to me like she complied... HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #67

It also says it's unclear if woman even knew of these requirements. LisaL Oct 2014 #69

The protocol is in every hospital in the US npk Oct 2014 #75

I am not arguing that she wasn't carelles. LisaL Oct 2014 #84

Yes CDC told them not to fly npk Oct 2014 #89

That link again says they were supposed to not have been traveling. LisaL Oct 2014 #97

Protocols should be known Tweedy Oct 2014 #96

They should have, but they weren't necessarily. LisaL Oct 2014 #98

Hospital's job Tweedy Oct 2014 #118

Judge Jenkins is now saying that the hospital was not instructed by the CDC ecstatic Oct 2014 #115

Thanks. So hanging around small crowds is OK? nt ecstatic Oct 2014 #34

She was suposed to be controlling her movements and avoiding people. npk Oct 2014 #52

How could that nurse have been that stupid? She must have thought being told not to fly didn't Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #41

She's getting married and had to plan her wedding with MOM. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #66

That mom reportedly flew to Dallas. LisaL Oct 2014 #74

Anything I have seen says that she "should not have" flown Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #82

They were told not fly according to link npk Oct 2014 #87

No it doesn't. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Oct 2014 #42

there are things beyond my comprehension Kalidurga Oct 2014 #45

How long will it be until Kevin Bacon is exposed? tularetom Oct 2014 #57

DUzy!! KamaAina Oct 2014 #109

But nurses are perfect in all they do and are incapable of doing anything so FUCKING STUPID. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #59

On the other hand, CDC is perfect. LisaL Oct 2014 #65

Not sure, but she did fly back with a fever, so...... Darb Oct 2014 #79

She should have called 911 in Cleveland. LisaL Oct 2014 #85

I think the same number of DUers believe the corollary... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #131

"Told not to fly"? liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #71

EbolaBridezilla AngryAmish Oct 2014 #104

What liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #125

Perhaps airlines could help by refunding tickets for people who shouldn't fly? hedgehog Oct 2014 #72

If a sum of $305 is all it takes to cause for her to risk the health... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #83

I am at a loss how a health care professional (BSN, ADN ????) .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #76

What a disappointment Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author valerief Oct 2014 #107

You are a little late to the party. LisaL Oct 2014 #110

I AM late. Thanks for the update. valerief Oct 2014 #112

So selfish. Just disgusting. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #113

CBS is reporting that she called the CDC before flying. Ilsa Oct 2014 #114

This is effing unbelievable. I am utterly shocked of CDCs carefree attitude snagglepuss Oct 2014 #120

Here's the thread with link info: Ilsa Oct 2014 #121

If that is true, that's mind boggling. LisaL Oct 2014 #122

thread: Ilsa Oct 2014 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #126

It's being covered on CBS and now CNN. Ilsa Oct 2014 #127

She wasn't told not to fly. LisaL Oct 2014 #128

That is my understanding as well. nt arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #141