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45. Saying that people are claiming "both parties are the same" is a bullcrap meme. It's a strawman

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 04:44 PM

Oct 2014

argument. I will say that many Democrat politicians vote the same as Republicans. That's a fact and it's not saying the parties are the same. The conservatives in both parties are the same.

And to blame Gore's loss on Ralph is pathetic. Mr. Nader didn't convince people that a new party was needed, he agreed with many that a new party is needed. You give Mr. Nader too much credit in your quest to find a scapegoat rather than face the facts. It's conservatives that are screwing up the Democratic Party. It's conservatives that want to abandon SS and Medicare. It's conservatives that fought against single payer. It's conservatives that want more and more wars. It's the conservatives that support H. Clinton and the Great American Aristocracy.

If the conservatives run H. Clinton against a conservative Jeb Bush, don't blame the left for the outcome.

Kick the conservatives out of our party, back to the Republican Party where they belong.

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especially one Ms.Hillary DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #2

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I sure hope you are right (and I think you are for now). Rand Paul is a scalawag and KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #11

Trust ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #22

LOL. Thanks for that! :) (no text) KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #23

I should have said ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #24

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Yeah, I think I may have had a autonomic freakout at the thought KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #67

You're Welcome, KC Cha Oct 2014 #68

Krugman is a bit naive about politics I think Fumesucker Oct 2014 #3

Exactly. Marr Oct 2014 #5

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It is still Nixon's party. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #21

Excellent comments in this subthread... woo me with science Oct 2014 #40

Thanks, I like a lot of what you write too.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #70

Just a nice, cushy job BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #43

Divided government gives everyone plausible deniability for screwing us over. Maedhros Oct 2014 #58

Over on Discussionist there's right wingers that feel the same way, think the same thing Fumesucker Oct 2014 #60

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Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding! Ladies and Gents, We Have a Winner! 2banon Oct 2014 #75

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It says we are far from ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #4

Absolutely in agreement.. 2banon Oct 2014 #52

Who do we care what one economist thinks 'at this critical time'? sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #7

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I liked something he said as a guest on Lawrence O'Donnell's show tonight. calimary Oct 2014 #30

Russell Brand is intelligent, articulate and most likely a genius. But none of those things rhett o rick Oct 2014 #44

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #25

Wow, do you know how many members of Congress there are? The Senate? sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #33

You said ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #38

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(though Shiite politicians are actually the majority) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #72

Right you are. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #73

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Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #64

Ignorant viewpoint on Krugman and politics in general HERVEPA Oct 2014 #27

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"And FYI, THIS is when voters tell those asking for their votes what THEY, the VOTERS, liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #32

Amazing isn't it? The gall of people to come here and tell the voters to remain silent during the sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #36

Telling our elected officials who represent us what we want from them is a voting right I am liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #39

Thank you, clearly you understand what democracy means. It seems that there are people sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #62

Nobody has told you to remain silent. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #41

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Saying that people are claiming "both parties are the same" is a bullcrap meme. It's a strawman rhett o rick Oct 2014 #45

'Kick the Conservatives out of our party, back to the Republican Party where they belong' sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #80

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+1. eom 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #26

And a smart, liberal one. I don't mistrust all academics. n/t pampango Oct 2014 #29

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I wouldn't be surprised. It's part of the Kabuki theater. The Oligarch Rulers rhett o rick Oct 2014 #48

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If someone actually thinks racism is wrong they wouldn't participate loyalsister Oct 2014 #59

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I can't seem to get my hand on the Rollingston Magazine... Stellar Oct 2014 #35

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