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41. I think President Obama is caught off guard by Frieden's incompetence,

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 04:50 PM

Oct 2014

and Frieden is caught off guard by THP's incompetence. It's now clear that the the response to this outbreak cannot be delegated out, it must be micromanaged even down to the minor details.

The second biggest obstacle is conflicting and/or misleading information: The CDC continuously touts outdated information that conflicts with recent, peer reviewed research. "Unlikely" does not mean never. "Don't know" does not translate to "impossible." You cannot make the right decisions if the information you're basing it on incorrectly describes a scenario as "impossible." The perfect example of this is the "you're not contagious if you don't have symptoms." Symptoms can include something as minor as a headache, or, as we just witnessed, a fever of less than 100! You can't screen for that.

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Presbyterian workers wore no protective gear for two days while treating Ebola patient [View all] cali Oct 2014 OP

The news just keeps getting better. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #1

Its as if the whole hospital lives in some desert island with no knowledge of what is happening in jwirr Oct 2014 #44

dear god what the hell?! nc4bo Oct 2014 #2

really... some administrator doesn't get what I learned 43 years ago in NCO school... HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #5

Frieden reminds me of Paul Bremer or Michael Brown, too incompetent KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #70

We've regressed into a fucking 2nd-world country. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #3

We've always been a "2nd-world country". KamaAina Oct 2014 #43

11 beds in the whole country for Ebola patients. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #46

My daughter suggested they curtail TBF Oct 2014 #4

There should be a quarantine on those countries for all purposes except transporting medical JDPriestly Oct 2014 #27

Makes sense mainstreetonce Oct 2014 #30

One expert said he would place a 21 day quarantine on people before they snagglepuss Oct 2014 #36

A quarantine sound good but where would you keep the people who were quarntined? If they go jwirr Oct 2014 #45

Ebola is only contagious when symptoms are present. It appears she wasn't snagglepuss Oct 2014 #47

Never has worked Tweedy Oct 2014 #38

Well, some find a way - TBF Oct 2014 #55

Many find a way Tweedy Oct 2014 #58

Well they are not going TBF Oct 2014 #62

True Tweedy Oct 2014 #67

This is *West* Africa... Fumesucker Oct 2014 #69

lol - TBF Oct 2014 #72

I was quarantined. It is not a matter of choice. A big sign is put on your house or the place JDPriestly Oct 2014 #73

One man in Canada who was being watched for ebola is in the Canadian military, he was snagglepuss Oct 2014 #35

What about airplanes IN the USA? dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #49

I hear you - TBF Oct 2014 #56

On site training and Quality assurance have always made sense to me. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #60

"Unfuckingbelievable" doesn't begin to describe this. nt ecstatic Oct 2014 #6

Jesus, that's even worse than I had heard deutsey Oct 2014 #7

Health care workers treating Thomas Eric Duncan IN A HOSPITAL ISOLATION UNIT Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #8

Remember, "it's really hard to catch." Or so we've been told. I don't fault the nurses for believing ecstatic Oct 2014 #24

I can. AwakeAtLast Oct 2014 #26

We've also been told that numerour health care professionals caught it and died. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

if you are a health care worker dealing with bodily fluids it is infectious Tweedy Oct 2014 #39

That's criminal. procon Oct 2014 #9

And you know this was the cause how? Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #10

exactly riverwalker Oct 2014 #63

That sure sounds like a breach of protocol. morningfog Oct 2014 #11

How does it sound like a breach of protocol? LisaL Oct 2014 #25

Breached protocol repeatedly Tweedy Oct 2014 #40

Projectile Vomiting and Explosive Diarrhea undeterred Oct 2014 #12

The administrators of this hospital should be sent to Liberia JPZenger Oct 2014 #13

I suspect it isn't actually lies, from the hospital or the CDC, but carefully constructed speech HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #16

CDC does not require hazmat suits. LisaL Oct 2014 #14

That title is a little misleading ctaylors6 Oct 2014 #15

Is a lot misleading. LisaL Oct 2014 #17

Hospitals MUST accept full responsibility for proper handling of whatever illness or injury comes kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #34

Hospital did not follow protocols Tweedy Oct 2014 #61

tort reform prevents law suites against hospital unless gross negligence can be proved! jonjensen Oct 2014 #18

The hospital fucked up, but no need to exaggerate as reality is bad enough. uppityperson Oct 2014 #19

At what point did the CDC get involved? Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #20

They send the team in before Mr. Duncan's results were announced. LisaL Oct 2014 #21

Oh man. Rex Oct 2014 #22

Wow. City Lights Oct 2014 #23

"Move along, folks. We got this." Like hell, they had this. nt valerief Oct 2014 #28

Shit. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #31

Evidently this report has been debunked. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #32

I see nothing in the article at that link that debunks the report. nt Zorra Oct 2014 #57

This is all Obama's fault, and Frieden's fault, and CDC's fault according to several DUers. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #33

I think President Obama is caught off guard by Frieden's incompetence, ecstatic Oct 2014 #41

You got a link to a published peer-reviewed article that says Ebola is contagious before kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #50

um, yes. go to PubMed and search ecstatic Oct 2014 #51

I am well aware of that study that demonstrated, in a very few patients, evidence of asymptomatic, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #53

That's the point. It hasn't been ruled out. ecstatic Oct 2014 #65

True. But if you have that many people running around with Ebola I'm not sure it's a kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #66

The study done in 2005 suggests it's very possible: ecstatic Oct 2014 #68

I've read that about 100 times in the past couple of weeks, lol. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #71

I don't think that's it at all - TBF Oct 2014 #59

Important reminder about federalism Tweedy Oct 2014 #37

Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital is a private, corporate-owned hospital KeepItReal Oct 2014 #42

But it must be inspected/authorized for business by the State. Not arguing with you... KittyWampus Oct 2014 #52

Still regulated Tweedy Oct 2014 #54

But regulations are anathema in Texas procon Oct 2014 #64

Are you fucking kidding me? KatyaR Oct 2014 #48