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32. Laws are being deliberately changed to suppress dissent and criminalize journalism.

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 05:05 PM

Oct 2014

US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845

Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713

NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764

Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388

Mission creep. The definitions of "espionage" and "terror" are being actively expanded to the point that journalists and political enemies can now be smeared and dealt with as though they were spies and terrorists. Yes, it's the behavior of a totalitarian state legalizing the oppression it chooses to legalize and criminalizing behaviors that have previously been specifically protected under the Constitution. Sort of like relabeling any male of a certain age who is blasted to smithereens by a drone "an enemy combatant."

Another great Orwellian example is the government's ongoing attempt to give itself the power to define who is and isn't a journalist. What better way to claim to establish "protections" for whistleblowers, when what you are actually doing is creating categories through which you can exclude from protection those you don't want to protect.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023708417
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976955
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Obama has secured 526 months of prison for national security leakers, 20x all previous presidents [View all] DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 OP

And not one day for the banksters and war criminals. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #1

Yeah that really bothers me. Rex Oct 2014 #5

"if you prosecute a CEO or other senior executive and send him or her to jail red dog 1 Oct 2014 #42

Thread win. bigwillq Oct 2014 #54

Yup these are the real criminals in all of this. Initech Oct 2014 #55

Well, that's a "change," I guess villager Oct 2014 #2

And Purity Democrats say he's a failure! MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #3

Quick! Add this accomplishment to THE LIST! Doctor_J Oct 2014 #16

What number are we up to now? markpkessinger Oct 2014 #29

I could tell you, but everyone knows that you can get tombstoned just for defending the president! Doctor_J Oct 2014 #34

. markpkessinger Oct 2014 #35

It's under, "Committed the US to war in Afghanistan for another decade," if that helps. nt OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #56

LOL Manny you are so good. navarth Oct 2014 #39

Did saying Obama jailed almost 3x more than all President's combined not work? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #4

20 is a bigger number!!! randome Oct 2014 #7

And then, if you go by number of words .... its thousands!!!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #10

I can't take it anymore!!! randome Oct 2014 #12

Ah, excellent counterpoint. This fact was indeed stated elsewhere at some point. Marr Oct 2014 #15

Well, here's the counterpoint then. randome Oct 2014 #18

That is almost a tautology. Marr Oct 2014 #22

Apparently the courts have thought so. randome Oct 2014 #23

Do you? /nt Marr Oct 2014 #24

James Risen should get the same treatment as Judith Miller. Equal msanthrope Oct 2014 #25

I sure haven't followed every possible intelligence leak for the past 7 years. randome Oct 2014 #30

The position is apparently that JoeyT Oct 2014 #36

We are living to watch the dismantling of democratic government woo me with science Oct 2014 #6

You have a timeline for when that's going to happen? randome Oct 2014 #8

Thanks for your compilations. nt OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #14

keep your eye on this shiny object full of numbers I have, woo me!!! Skittles Oct 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Oct 2014 #26

Journalism? James Risen became famous for smearing Wen Ho Lee. And Judith Miller msanthrope Oct 2014 #19

+1 liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #20

I think you watch too many movies Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #21

Unfair. Marr Oct 2014 #9

Magic wand! OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #11

Jailing the press is definitely one of the things that a dictator does. Maedhros Oct 2014 #28

Laws are being deliberately changed to suppress dissent and criminalize journalism. woo me with science Oct 2014 #32

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #37

Mission creep indeed! Maedhros Oct 2014 #40

It's Nader's fault Doctor_J Oct 2014 #33

No one disputed that Judith Miller should go to jail for the exact same thing James Risen is msanthrope Oct 2014 #13

There is a world of difference between the two situations . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #31

No...the law does not recognize this purported difference. And the person Mr. Risen msanthrope Oct 2014 #38

+1. I made that point on another thread and got crickets riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #41

But the law does not recognize political affiliation as a defense. Nor should it. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #48

Miller didn't operate in a vacuum. And clearly Fitzgerald, DUers, and the judge knew it riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #52

James Risen was famous for falsely smearing Wen Ho Lee. He is exactly like msanthrope Oct 2014 #53

DU on "Judith in jail".. Cha Oct 2014 #45

We try! That the guy who smeared Wen Ho Lee is now a "progressive cause" msanthrope Oct 2014 #46

It fucking figures though, doesn't it? Cha Oct 2014 #47

Because, Obama. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #49

This thread has been designated "doubleplusungood" and is predictably being swarmed woo me with science Oct 2014 #27

Good. No one should be leaking national security. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #43

Ellsberg should be rotting in jail. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #51

Good. Nt NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #44

Hush Hush DesMoines Dem - truedelphi Oct 2014 #50