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15. I've read an article at Cracked.com about the guy who started AA...

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 05:22 PM

Oct 2014

With it's "12 step" program.

When Bill W. was on his deathbed, he kept asking medical people caring for him for alcohol.

http://www.cracked.com/article_21333_5-acts-staggering-hypocrisy-from-self-righteous-critics_p2.html

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Atheist jailed for denying ‘higher power’ in Calif. drug rehab gets $2M [View all] reflection Oct 2014 OP

atheism pays! unblock Oct 2014 #1

I just hope he found another drug rehab to yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #7

You are assuming he is addicted . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #11

Very true. I hope he is just a casual user yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #21

Although what you say is true marym625 Oct 2014 #39

Not as much as religion. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #46

sure, when you're at the top. this guy was just one of the faithless. unblock Oct 2014 #47

Wonder how long 2 million dollars worth of meth is gonna last him? CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #2

Why do you assume he will return to using? tkmorris Oct 2014 #3

Well, it is like giving lighter fluid to an arsonist... Archae Oct 2014 #4

We don't even know if this guy was necessarily addicted . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #10

No, we don't know. Archae Oct 2014 #13

He should have called their bluff and made the "higher power" liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #23

Clarify what you mean by "the other way around" please robbob Oct 2014 #38

It would have been stunned amazement whatthehey Oct 2014 #43

Substitute "Future Self" for "Higher Power" AndyTiedye Oct 2014 #53

Or, his higher power could have been methamphetamine ... CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #62

He might not have even been a user. Possesion does not necessarily mean it was for his use. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #27

Wow, what a classy comment. nt Logical Oct 2014 #58

Because everybody knows that the 12 steps are the ONLY way to get sober, silly! Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #26

I'm sorry, that just isn't a fact. It's a great resource, but "success" rates are highly exgeratede. 2banon Oct 2014 #41

A success rate of 1 out of 10 sounds highly exaggerated? hughee99 Oct 2014 #50

It is hard to get definite statistics, I'd agree with you there. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #66

Agree completely. n/t 2banon Oct 2014 #68

There needs to be alternatives...noone should cally Oct 2014 #5

and godbothering groups (ALL 12 steppers) are no more successful than other interventions. whatthehey Oct 2014 #44

Drug and alcohol rehab needs to be in the hands of trained educated therapists, not religions. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #6

Portugal is leading the way on this issue Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #9

Portugal? Wow! Interesting, Thanks for the insight.. n/t 2banon Oct 2014 #69

Whenever I hear "trained therapists," I think of the McMartin preschool witch hunt. Archae Oct 2014 #52

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that, just good old fashioned regular psychotherapists. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #54

Except what is a "regular" psychotherapist? Archae Oct 2014 #55

Like a chiropractor, you gotta find a good one. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #56

Good for him! Joanie Baloney Oct 2014 #8

I recommend reading Rehab Nation JonLP24 Oct 2014 #12

Also Gabor Mate "In The Realm Of Hungry Ghosts" Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #14

Excellent point, and I'd also liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #24

I've read an article at Cracked.com about the guy who started AA... Archae Oct 2014 #15

KNR n/t DirkGently Oct 2014 #16

"Higher Power" alternative.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #17

LOL! good one .n/t 2banon Oct 2014 #42

First thing he saw the check? "Ok, maybe there is a god". lol jtuck004 Oct 2014 #18

Works for me! mountain grammy Oct 2014 #19

sanity prevails! AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #20

K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #22

Good. 12 Step Programs work for some people, don't work for others. People- particularly Atheists- Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #25

This is the problem with AA and 12 step programs .. too much turning responsibility over to ''GOD" YOHABLO Oct 2014 #28

"...is within you." Pastiche423 Oct 2014 #30

That is, I think, an oversimplification. Plus, it's not up to anyone to walk anyone else's path. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #36

The beehive analogy F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #37

There are good points here, but one problem. whatthehey Oct 2014 #48

I dont buy that people who have an innate physiological dependence on alcohol Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #64

but mm and aa success rates are both approximately equal, and aa horror stories are ten a penny too. whatthehey Oct 2014 #70

Actually, I said I think there are probably different forms or manifestations of "alcoholisms". Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #72

I agree with the last bit whatthehey Oct 2014 #73

I fully support scientific research into alcoholism. I know for a fact there are physiological, Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #74

Also I'd add this, regarding "the only sometime successful mitigation is psychological" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #67

Nothing I said was over simplified. Treatment programs are beneficial .. we can't live in treatment YOHABLO Oct 2014 #61

Like i said, i wouldnt second guess how anyone else pulls it off. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #65

Amen! Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #29

Court-mandated rehab is ridiculous Recursion Oct 2014 #31

Just a tentacle of the war on drug economy. More tentacles than an underwater sea kelp forest. lonestarnot Oct 2014 #32

Christians are CONVINCED it works... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #40

Good. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #33

JHC.. Lucrative to stand up for what you don't believe in! The "JHC" part is Cha Oct 2014 #34

Barry Hazle Jr sounds clear.. Cha Oct 2014 #35

Guy was not cooperating with the higher power... Jail was the only solution :) Helen Borg Oct 2014 #45

thx for this thread Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #49

Good. hifiguy Oct 2014 #51

Good. alarimer Oct 2014 #57

good. forcing that higher power nonsense on people is BS RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #59

This one god thing is so boring. EEO Oct 2014 #60

Reminds me of a friend who got a DUI some years back. CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #63

Just want to say, Good! 2banon Oct 2014 #71