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liberalhistorian

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77. That is utter and complete bullshit.

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:49 PM

Oct 2014

The flu commonly knocks down quite healthy people, the state of their immune system has nothing to do with it. I've known people younger and healthier to be knocked down by it, my doctor said it was far more common than you'd think, which is one reason it's so dangerous. No, the vaccine does not (and cannot) cover all the hundreds of strains of flu, but it does cover the strains that are predicted to be the common ones for the particular flu season. I have no freaking idea where you got your ridiculous, irresponsible statement that the vaccines reduce the effectiveness of the immune system by half, but it is nothing but ignorant fear-mongering bullshit, the kind that ignorant fear-mongering anti-vaxxer idiots would put out that endangers so many innocent people. I haven't even had a cold in the two years since I've been getting the shot, and it's greatly reduced the incidents of serious flu, as well as the flu in general, in my state.

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Healthcare professionals all over the country are screaming from the roof tops [View all] boston bean Oct 2014 OP

Fire Frieden and disband CDC. They are clearly incompetent boobs and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #1

And who said that? boston bean Oct 2014 #2

Well duh. Of course it's sarcasm. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #32

Frieden was the one who blamed the nurse. former9thward Oct 2014 #76

Someone at CDC gave her the ok to fly when she reported a small rise in temp . She called many times lunasun Oct 2014 #104

It's kinda disturbing to me, TBH. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #108

Maybe it would help to fund them. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #78

Frieden has already admittted he screwed up by trusting the hospital Fumesucker Oct 2014 #4

What? Amd Perry would have called out the National Guard to prevent the 'feds' sinkingfeeling Oct 2014 #20

Currently Perry is lobbying in Europe/Rivera to set up exporting America's fossil energy and natrual DhhD Oct 2014 #85

So you think the CDC can sweep in and automatically clean up hospital staff, management KittyWampus Oct 2014 #24

Frieden has already said he should have sent more CDC staff to Dallas Fumesucker Oct 2014 #31

And if the hospital didn't want or ask CDC personnel involved? KittyWampus Oct 2014 #40

Then that would be on the head of the person making the decision at the hospital, yes? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #42

I agree. I don't think the CDC has been very impressive re ebola cali Oct 2014 #41

They almost certainly assured CDC that things were under control and their professional standards kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #33

I suspect you can find such a hospital in most states Fumesucker Oct 2014 #36

but as Fumesucker pointed out, there were big red flags cali Oct 2014 #43

Apparently you didn't get the memo. During the Pres Obama administration, the CDC is rhett o rick Oct 2014 #65

Just get the facts before criticizing Tweedy Oct 2014 #72

The CDC shares responsibility for the country being prepared. They say the country is rhett o rick Oct 2014 #74

Yes Tweedy Oct 2014 #90

Cdc there within hours of being informed Tweedy Oct 2014 #68

Are you claiming the CDC was on the spot supervising Duncan's care in the hospital? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #80

Cdc arrived within hours of Ebola diagnosis Tweedy Oct 2014 #88

You evaded my question Fumesucker Oct 2014 #94

Assumption: hospitals can provide care Tweedy Oct 2014 #107

It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up resigning before all of this is over. LisaL Oct 2014 #9

After listening to him, I say he should resign now, and we put an actual epidemiologist in charge. H grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #54

Plus - we got some wars for profit goin on!!! Ebola is a distraction from profiteering. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #53

OMG!!! Thanks for the sarcasm smilies HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #59

Any why is the CDC to blame for a hospital's lack of foresight? randome Oct 2014 #3

The CDC said every single hospital in this country is prepared. boston bean Oct 2014 #5

CDC has a history of dropping the ball on some diseases. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #13

Interesting laundry_queen Oct 2014 #105

The book is a classic now. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #106

I loved Hot Zone Recursion Oct 2014 #111

The precautions and the guidelines are not the problem. Failure to make the slightest kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #34

The guidelines are inadequate TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #63

Yes Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #86

CDC not to blame directly but it's clear they vastly overrated the competence of the hospital staff Fumesucker Oct 2014 #6

Agreed. liberalmuse Oct 2014 #27

Yes this ^^^^ sdfernando Oct 2014 #50

Yes, but did they have their flu shots? ladyVet Oct 2014 #7

Got mine a week ago! +1 B Calm Oct 2014 #11

I got mine last week, liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #70

That's a pretty irresponsible claim you are making about Ilsa Oct 2014 #73

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #75

It is funny how her beliefs in woo crap have resulted in continued zombiehood status uppityperson Oct 2014 #82

That is utter and complete bullshit. liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #77

I'm not sure what you mean, but some hospitals ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #79

Tens of thousands of Americans died of the flu last year. enki23 Oct 2014 #102

But, but, but....no one got ebola at Emory! TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #8

Exactly. People in those hospitals were way above cdc guidelines. LisaL Oct 2014 #10

On CNN just now they said that when asked how about proper procedures CrispyQ Oct 2014 #12

+1000000000 ReRe Oct 2014 #26

yeah, seems to me that an 'all-hands' meeting would've been in order frylock Oct 2014 #51

Yeap, go to this website and read usually = screw you uponit7771 Oct 2014 #81

Exactly! ctsnowman Oct 2014 #114

For Profit second & third tier hospitals are very dangerous, and most people irisblue Oct 2014 #14

I see a lot of blame heaped on the CDC and liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #15

I have wondered about this mcar Oct 2014 #22

Can the admin be prosecuted for neglect and endangering Tumbulu Oct 2014 #101

For comparison - check out this info for people removing asbestos - hedgehog Oct 2014 #16

Very similar protocols are used in mold remediation Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #93

An even better comparison since mold remidiation involves a bio hazard hedgehog Oct 2014 #115

We need a Surgeon General. NOW. President Obama needs to act now and call out the rethugs. Tommymac Oct 2014 #18

Surgeon Generals don't "do" epidemics and infectious disease emergency response. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #35

Surgeon Generals are the Leading Medical Officer in the USA. They LEAD and Coordinate Tommymac Oct 2014 #62

Hear Hear! ReRe Oct 2014 #45

There is a difference between having the equipment to handle Ebola and hedgehog Oct 2014 #19

There is another really good thread on this underpants Oct 2014 #21

Well I can speak to what a gong show infection control is arikara Oct 2014 #23

There is another part of health care that should be included in this training. My granddaughter runs jwirr Oct 2014 #25

I'm not saying I agree with your post.... vi5 Oct 2014 #28

Oh, of course. My bad. It's all Obama's fault. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #44

Thanks for proving my point. vi5 Oct 2014 #46

Your responses on this thread have been over the top ridiculous Trajan Oct 2014 #87

Sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #29

People assume that if they speak openly and honestly of their mistakes they will pay a price for it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #39

So true ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #48

Wholeheartedly agree n/t OhioChick Oct 2014 #30

Nope, it can only happen in Texas. Read it here on DU so it has to be true. DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #37

I can't imagine my local hospital SheilaT Oct 2014 #38

Ya know VA_Jill Oct 2014 #47

Rachael Maddow pointed out the goal is a national checklist. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #49

Not only that, but ebola is finding it's way around safety equipment somehow. If two workers were grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #52

Well, apparently they wore regular scrubs until Ebola was confirmed deutsey Oct 2014 #58

Democracy Now! had co-president of National Nurses United on today deutsey Oct 2014 #55

It seems odd that we are unprepared for ebola, yet we are totally prepared for other infectious Rex Oct 2014 #56

what are we totally prepared for? ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #57

The flu, which is more contagous. Rex Oct 2014 #60

we really aren't ready for flu either ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #64

As I noted, and know from experience Aerows Oct 2014 #69

From Democracy Now! today: deutsey Oct 2014 #61

My local county hospital Aerows Oct 2014 #66

Bullshit...I work in healthcare in Washington rustydog Oct 2014 #67

You live in a wealthy state Aerows Oct 2014 #71

nothing of that sort exists where I live redruddyred Oct 2014 #84

crossing my fingers that this whole ebola mess will make hospitals suck less. redruddyred Oct 2014 #83

K&R Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #89

Interesting document from the CDC Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #91

I'm not BB, but I can probably answer that. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #92

Emory and UNMC had one other commonality Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #95

That's kind of where I'm at, too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #96

The republicans obstructed the nomination of a surgeon general so what do you expect? judesedit Oct 2014 #97

What is horrendously disgusting... CoffeeCat Oct 2014 #98

well said! Tumbulu Oct 2014 #103

Don't worry. I'm from a corporation, and I'm here to help. world wide wally Oct 2014 #99

Movie that tells it like it is moniss Oct 2014 #100

please, don't ever hold up Texas "proof" of anything Skittles Oct 2014 #109

BSL-4 greymattermom Oct 2014 #110

Big one tiptonic Oct 2014 #112

K&R from one of the choir MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #113

Perhaps rtracey Oct 2014 #116