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Warpy

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77. They know so little at this stage

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:43 PM

Oct 2014

because they only locate people with ebola in Africa by sending out teams to pick up any people they find who are deathly ill with some sort of intestinal complaint. Some ill people hide in the bush whenever a WHO or DWB van pulls into the village because they think the hospital is killing people, not the disease. It's a wretched business in Africa and will be tough to contain.

The prodromal period, where the patient is infected but not yet contagious, might start with a low grade fever as the immune system notices the invader and starts to mount a defense. I'm sure they're investigating that possibility, especially since health care workers here are very conscious of such things and do report them instead of hiding them.

The high fever appears when the other symptoms appear and that's when the patient becomes contagious. This is how the cases present in Africa.

These first cases are how the CDC is going to learn more about this monster.

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Amber Vinson (nurse #2) called the CDC before she flew... she reported [View all] Ilsa Oct 2014 OP

Please provide a link as soon as it is available? Thanks. Raine1967 Oct 2014 #1

It was part of the story on the Evening News. Ilsa Oct 2014 #8

link from cbs-dfw elehhhhna Oct 2014 #14

THANKS! EVERYONE-- HERE'S ^^^ THE LINK! ^^^^ nt Ilsa Oct 2014 #20

Thank you! Raine1967 Oct 2014 #107

Well if it was outside their criteria for worrying, then it was and that's that. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #2

Oh dear lord. LisaL Oct 2014 #25

But of course, SHE had to be kicked around first. Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #37

Not-so-covert attacks on the working class. Totally predictable in neo-fascist KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #91

Yes, don't blame the HCW if they don't want to care for these patients after this. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #71

Frieden's got to go. Like yesterday. What a putz! KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #92

Inability to get story straight is also in line with the most advanced scientific thinking. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #106

You might want to read more carefully. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #41

Well, maybe if you believe that dumbcat Oct 2014 #54

Typical CYA bureaucrat, quick to blame the low-level ordinary working person rather than KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #94

Thanks for the facts, Ilsa. elleng Oct 2014 #3

We are doomed. One giant fuck up after another. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #4

The only person that may lose their job Texasgal Oct 2014 #83

If this is confirmed then this is a direct CDC failure. It could get nasty for the administration, kelly1mm Oct 2014 #5

Thanks, Obama. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #9

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none of the Dallas hospital's workers were put in any quarantine TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #145

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even if they were told to self-monitor TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #148

Officer Barbrady must have taken her call. nt valerief Oct 2014 #6

Wondering if this will be confirmed. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #7

If true, WTF?!?!?!?! nt boston bean Oct 2014 #10

Republicans are calling for the Head of the CDC to resign Turbineguy Oct 2014 #11

They'll probably call for the Surgeon General they won't approve to resign next. nt valerief Oct 2014 #17

LOL...Oh, wait. You are probably right. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #44

Heckuva job, Frieden! ecstatic Oct 2014 #74

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Huh?????? valerief Oct 2014 #18

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Your name is overkill funny. nt valerief Oct 2014 #22

In a kind of "Methinks thou dost protest" sort of way. LOL! n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #24

Did she tell them who she was Control-Z Oct 2014 #13

The CBS tangential report about her calling Ilsa Oct 2014 #19

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This was a sick young woman asking for help Ilsa Oct 2014 #136

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So this woman's story is black and white for you. nt Ilsa Oct 2014 #138

Why would she call CDC otherwise? LisaL Oct 2014 #27

I don't. I think I explained clearly Control-Z Oct 2014 #47

CDC has been getting many calls from idiots with no reason to believe they would have ebola JI7 Oct 2014 #48

Thank you, J17. (nt) Control-Z Oct 2014 #70

I would think that someone under voluntary isolation would have a specific CDC rep.'s contact info, ecstatic Oct 2014 #76

Memorize and follow the dogmatic protocol or understand the concepts HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #15

People with early ebola spike high fevers Warpy Oct 2014 #16

So you're saying that symptoms absolutely never begin with low grade fever? Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #33

Ever notice that sentences that begin with "so" Warpy Oct 2014 #34

So you are saying that Strawmen will be the most popular toy this Christmas season? FSogol Oct 2014 #39

I was not trying to create a strawman, I was trying to get clarification. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #40

Virtually every utterance starts with "So." Only idiom comparable Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #49

Black/white thinking, no, they don't. Often perhaps, but not always. So, how are you doing? uppityperson Oct 2014 #58

A woman who had been a nurse in South Africa said nurses tending to ebola patients were snagglepuss Oct 2014 #43

Exactly, and it might have to be just that Draconian Warpy Oct 2014 #50

Not in the report i saw. the nurse was decontaminated at Ilsa Oct 2014 #62

The nurse I am referring to worked in South Africa. snagglepuss Oct 2014 #67

In terms of concern about transmission - ANY fever, following contact with a known Ebola patient Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #51

I think we will probably get there Warpy Oct 2014 #56

How contagious are patients with mild symptoms? Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #85

We won't actually know for 19 more days Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #105

Yes, the CDC criteria never made sense from the beginning. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #73

What about someone like me Aerows Oct 2014 #52

Mine is 100.8 today Warpy Oct 2014 #79

I'm just making the point Aerows Oct 2014 #80

CNN was just reporting that nurse Pham's Ilsa Oct 2014 #69

They know so little at this stage Warpy Oct 2014 #77

What about all the health care workers who have gotten sick Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #109

Nine in Africa, six are dead Warpy Oct 2014 #119

According to this article, over 400 health care workers have contracted Ebola Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #121

Symptoms do vary, KMOD Oct 2014 #123

She was planning her wedding. The CDC told her it was OK to fly. She did due KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #98

"Excuse me Ms. Vinson, you say you were directly involved in Mr. Duncan's treatment? Okay..." cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #23

I routinely run fevers as high as 101 Warpy Oct 2014 #31

Low grade fevers in people DIRECTLY involved in treating Ebola patients isn't a different cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #35

I definitely feel ill when I get to 99. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #45

Minus your direct contact with an Ebola patient, this post is meaningless. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #81

It is to say that everyone reacts to a fever differently. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #100

I have no problems with your flying with a fever. I have MAJOR problems with her flying with one. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #104

Me too. My temp is usually below 98. If I get above 99, I definitely feel feverish. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #108

But you haven't been treating any Ebola patients. LisaL Oct 2014 #38

What you said! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #42

My main gripe is she should have been traveling at all in the first place dbackjon Oct 2014 #46

From what has been reported, CDC approved her trip. LisaL Oct 2014 #111

THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2014 #55

No clue. I'm betting though, that you have an idea about what might fix 'em. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #96

Too bad you don't work the phones at CDC nt ctaylors6 Oct 2014 #59

I agree with you. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #131

Another commendable move Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #26

Their director claimed just now she shouldn't have been flying at all. LisaL Oct 2014 #28

lack of communication between Freiden and his employees apparently. nt magical thyme Oct 2014 #84

CDC seems to be clueless. LisaL Oct 2014 #110

I get the sense they are winging this entire thing magical thyme Oct 2014 #112

Well, they are winging it very badly. LisaL Oct 2014 #114

you won't get any argument from me on that. magical thyme Oct 2014 #120

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How could they tell her to get on the plane? LisaL Oct 2014 #30

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Well, take it with msm. LisaL Oct 2014 #36

MSM is now saying the CDC gave her no guidance. Ilsa Oct 2014 #60

CDC gave her no guidance? LisaL Oct 2014 #61

That sounds remarkably like lawyer speak Fumesucker Oct 2014 #75

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Wow, just wow. She displayed due diligence by calling the CDC and you'd still have her fined? My KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #101

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If I have to outline the long-standing alliances between Democrats and labor in this country, then KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #139

Do you think it's possible that Ilsa Oct 2014 #124

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so troubling. n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #122

I agree Evergreen Emerald Oct 2014 #133

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Dr. Sanjay Gupta reporting the same on Anderson Cooper 360 amandabeech Oct 2014 #53

I just heard that. Even rewound the dvr to hear it again. Ilsa Oct 2014 #57

Yes, but I do give her credit for calling. amandabeech Oct 2014 #63

me too. She's young and needed help with a Ilsa Oct 2014 #65

Good! No more blame the nurse. She was safe to fly. morningfog Oct 2014 #64

Nope. According to doctors SHE and the CDC screwed up.. she was NOT safe to fly davidn3600 Oct 2014 #72

I think it should be clear at this point... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #68

The whole ebola issue is one big cluster MissDeeds Oct 2014 #78

Well, well..well. Texasgal Oct 2014 #82

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why biosuits are deemed necessary at BSL-4 hospitals magical thyme Oct 2014 #86

Apparently CDC guidelines are Texasgal Oct 2014 #90

which is exactly what I've been saying for quite some time now...nt magical thyme Oct 2014 #93

Oh well according to some here we need to Texasgal Oct 2014 #95

I'm a med lab tech, so potentially have something at stake here magical thyme Oct 2014 #97

I'm a surgical nurse. Texasgal Oct 2014 #99

my lab manager got training today magical thyme Oct 2014 #102

I'm with you. I'm simply appalled at some of the blatant anti-worker comments KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #103

Welcome to DU Fumesucker Oct 2014 #113

Thank you for the welcome. Those anti-nurse folks should stop to remember what happened KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #116

Why she went to Cleveland? willing dwarf Oct 2014 #87

She was planning her wedding Texasgal Oct 2014 #88

She Rebl Oct 2014 #89

Thanks! willing dwarf Oct 2014 #142

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Why did she think she was "special"? SoCalDem Oct 2014 #115

Because CDC told her it's o'key for her to fly? LisaL Oct 2014 #117

So the fact the CDC was consulted multiple times and by all accounts KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #118

"due diligence"... seriously? A wedding is more important than maybe infecting own your family? TerrapinFlyer Oct 2014 #132

There were no travel restrictions on any HCW at the time, nor was there any KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #140

It not anti-worker attitude, it's common sense TerrapinFlyer Oct 2014 #141

Oh, it most certainly is an anti-worker attitude. Who else is going to care for KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #143

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This why sequestered jurors are "guarded" SoCalDem Oct 2014 #144

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