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To All the A**holes who are Insulting the Flying Ebola Nurse: Shut Your F***ing Faces. [View all] riqster Oct 2014 OP

I agree in spirit. merrily Oct 2014 #1

Nurses work very hard and they often take the brunt of mistakes LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #37

If I saw something to blame for, I probably would. I don't see it, though. merrily Oct 2014 #48

kiss up, kick down - doesn't that explain so much. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #75

Yep. It sure does. Thank you, fumesucker! merrily Oct 2014 #83

Ms. Vinson is a Registered Nurse with either a Bachelor of Science and an Associate Degree in DhhD Oct 2014 #79

Are you a holder of the same credentials? riqster Oct 2014 #87

She was sick and likely terrified, so she asked the supposed government experts merrily Oct 2014 #89

After she flew to Ohio. wcollar Oct 2014 #107

Your own post disproves "There is no way a reasonable person who had been exposed to ebola.... merrily Oct 2014 #118

PS, trying for personal responsibility is something one does about his or her own behavior. merrily Oct 2014 #157

She was not sick, no signs of anything wrong with her ... 99.5 is a normal tempreature for a woman uponit7771 Oct 2014 #116

I agree about the blame, but 99.5 may not be normal for her. merrily Oct 2014 #130

According to webmd it's normal for temp to go up and down 1deg... 98.6 is average not static number uponit7771 Oct 2014 #133

Again, my own experience is very different. What counts for purposes of this thread is what merrily Oct 2014 #146

Frieden's got to go, else the buck stops at President Obama's desk. Sorry, that's how it goes KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #140

She's not going to spread it to anyone treestar Oct 2014 #163

I largely agree with you. Here's the problem as I see it. Frieden's first response KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #177

By 99.5 I know I am sick. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #232

She followed the advice of medical professionals. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #98

Yep Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #114

EXACTLY! The CDC should be giving test RIGHT NOW to everyone who was in her situation uponit7771 Oct 2014 #135

The test does not work right away Tweedy Oct 2014 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author Lars39 Oct 2014 #260

Exactly wcollar Oct 2014 #101

Where are all the Ebola infected passengers on Duncan's flight? MontyPow Oct 2014 #123

So what is the CDC's excuse. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #126

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #207

Thank you, riqster! Our socialist friends put it well...''Ebola in America'' Octafish Oct 2014 #2

Bravo! I tend to look somewhat askance at the Trotskyist WSWS but on this their KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #10

But, but, but .... we gotta make a profit! Stonepounder Oct 2014 #46

Nice post! Oughta be an OP. riqster Oct 2014 #61

+1 merrily Oct 2014 #233

+ 1 lunasun Oct 2014 #253

I'm not going to blame Amber Vinson solely, but I really have to question her judgement. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #3

You would have to ask her. littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #6

Maybe it really is denial. I don't know. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #17

I can say that from my experience we littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #18

Cognitive dissonance Chico Man Oct 2014 #56

Could well be. It makes as much sense as anything else. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #66

She had the fever on the flight home, why did she fly there in the first place? uppityperson Oct 2014 #76

99.5 is NOT a fever... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #185

You keep posting that, but it doesn't make it any less true that she was worried KitSileya Oct 2014 #199

Its fact, there's nothing wrong with posting that she had no signs she was sick and followed rules.. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #201

You picked out 1 word of my post to reply to. How about the rest of it? uppityperson Oct 2014 #225

Not blaming her but I, too, questioned her judgement. Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #8

Yes, I feel sorry for her and I hope she makes a full recovery. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #14

No one.. sendero Oct 2014 #24

99.5 is NOT a fever for a woman!! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #70

99.5 is NOT a fever... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #9

But she was monitoring her temperature, and she was concerned enough about it to call the Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #13

Then that means she goes to quarantine for jogging? ... cause that's what could uponit7771 Oct 2014 #20

And I would assume that, AS A NURSE, she'd be able to tell if her temp increase Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #25

No, not at all... a 1deg temp rises could be from ovulation to pregnancy to mestrual period for a uponit7771 Oct 2014 #38

Sigh. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #41

What?! 99.5 isn't even a temerature, the whole premise of her having signs is dead wrong I don't car uponit7771 Oct 2014 #45

"the whole premise of her having signs is dead wrong" LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #55

+1, the cdc cleared her because there was nothing wrong. 99.5 is normal for a woman NOT showign uponit7771 Oct 2014 #63

-1 LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #77

Taking your temperature every single day HockeyMom Oct 2014 #117

My youngest has huge temp swings, as does my wife. riqster Oct 2014 #223

She was monitoring her temp because CDC told her to. riqster Oct 2014 #84

99.5 is not necessarily elevated. merrily Oct 2014 #138

Doesn't matter if it is normal for women. KitSileya Oct 2014 #147

Not necessarily. merrily Oct 2014 #152

How do you know the temp was in connection with the CDC call? My understanding is she just called... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #186

Did you read the quote in the post to which you replied? KitSileya Oct 2014 #193

99.5 is NOT a fever for a woman!! In connection to means she called BECAUSE of the temp not called a uponit7771 Oct 2014 #198

Doesn't matter Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #22

Again, I'd be willing to bet good money that NONE.. NONE of those cargivers signed up for a "...live uponit7771 Oct 2014 #39

Those caregivers didn't have to sign up for it - public health demands it from them. KitSileya Oct 2014 #58

"..Those caregivers didn't have to sign up for it -..." lol... that's great to say after the fact!!! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #69

Anyone who comes into contact with an ebola victim is forced to do it. KitSileya Oct 2014 #95

WHO is says its 42 days now... and " everyone he came into contact with had to limit their contact . uponit7771 Oct 2014 #99

WHO says it's 42 days to KMOD Oct 2014 #110

Thx, so basically these people got to sit out life for a month and half until the REAL "all clear".. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #113

No, the incubation period is still 21 days KMOD Oct 2014 #124

Oh, for crying out loud. KitSileya Oct 2014 #119

Where did you read she was worried about her temp? She called teh CDC to see if she could travel uponit7771 Oct 2014 #127

I might get contagious and infectious mixed up (English is my second language) KitSileya Oct 2014 #143

The news stories say that she wore protective gear. merrily Oct 2014 #166

That she knew wasn't good enough. KitSileya Oct 2014 #190

None of that is fact, only your supposition. merrily Oct 2014 #200

Follow the links in my OP. riqster Oct 2014 #191

But but but!! Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #73

Hey, if you just want someone to blame she's an easy target but given the facts of the matter there uponit7771 Oct 2014 #78

Yes - it isn't the temperature itself, but the rise of it that is the concern. KitSileya Oct 2014 #104

I agree on the RISING temp, there's no proof that she called the CDC in connection with her temp uponit7771 Oct 2014 #214

+1 LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #168

There's a tiny little part of me that wishes every R.N., LPN and Nurse's Aide would KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #148

Damn skippy. Serve the bashers right, it would. riqster Oct 2014 #197

She signed up to be a nurse Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #178

Yes, ... I agree.. take responsibility after being FULLY informed.. .FULLY... I'm STILL thinking uponit7771 Oct 2014 #181

Exactly. Even without a fever her actions were irresponsible. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #19

I agree with your post. SoapBox Oct 2014 #21

I can understand the emotional pull on her to attend the wedding but sh*t happens and CTyankee Oct 2014 #40

She wasn't attending a wedding. She was planning her wedding, which is to take place Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #43

oops, I thought she had gone TO a wedding... CTyankee Oct 2014 #139

There was nothing wrong with her, 99.5 is a normal temperature for a woman ... why would she take uponit7771 Oct 2014 #54

Well, I've been a woman for 67 years and my 'normal' temp isn't the snappyturtle Oct 2014 #121

Yes, that's what webmd said... 98.6 is the AVG temp... human body temp is not a static number uponit7771 Oct 2014 #187

Because it's the right thing to do! Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #153

It's funny out here. peace13 Oct 2014 #158

No, I know. I can't believe it. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #271

Why did she travel? Because she was told it was OK to do so. riqster Oct 2014 #42

No, not "why did she travel?" Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #44

The same answer. Your tendentious questions are not impressive. riqster Oct 2014 #53

Tendentious. I congratulate you on learning a new word. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #64

No answer, huh? riqster Oct 2014 #71

What was the question? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #74

I am so glad I wrote my OP. riqster Oct 2014 #93

You are certainly proud of your vocabulary, I'll give you that much. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #241

I'm pleased that you were unable to refute my argument. riqster Oct 2014 #243

Deflections? Sure, that's the ticket! Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #244

Further proof. Have a splendid evening. riqster Oct 2014 #249

She is not an epidemiologist. At every step, she did what experts told her to do. merrily Oct 2014 #170

Just so. riqster Oct 2014 #195

PLEASE pm me if you get the zeal to grind this sick, obedient woman to dust, merrily Oct 2014 #205

I haven't a clue as to the origin of the hatred towards her. riqster Oct 2014 #216

Only thing I can think of is that it shifts blame from the CDC to this poor soul. merrily Oct 2014 #218

Fumesucker wrote a post on the phenomenon. Maybe the reasoning matches. riqster Oct 2014 #221

The "Kiss up, punch down" post, or were you thinking of another fumesucker gem? merrily Oct 2014 #229

That one. riqster Oct 2014 #234

When it comes to a registered nurse who did everything she was supposed to do, merrily Oct 2014 #236

Point. They're full of shit regardless. riqster Oct 2014 #237

Or full of agenda. merrily Oct 2014 #238

who is letting them off the hook? Skittles Oct 2014 #256

As you can see from my posts on this thread, that is not my opinion of Vinson. merrily Oct 2014 #263

The really strange thing to me, is who would feel like flying? treestar Oct 2014 #209

True. Her temp was below the margin, and she had no other symptoms. riqster Oct 2014 #222

aw there's no such thing as shared blame, Sheldon! Skittles Oct 2014 #255

It's obvious to me that the hospital was not as firm with the ones who were exposed SoCalDem Oct 2014 #270

Not only that but what message is being sent to future caregivers? When ebola comes your way run? uponit7771 Oct 2014 #4

yeah, that's called public health ProfessorPlum Oct 2014 #32

No, just that health care givers should be given the choice of lifestyle... I'm sure uponit7771 Oct 2014 #34

I think it's a bit different: this is because her employer was incompetent and negligent. riqster Oct 2014 #47

Take the thought one step further. peace13 Oct 2014 #169

She DID know the protocol. That is what you're missing. riqster Oct 2014 #183

I think you covered most of the bases. peace13 Oct 2014 #165

First I would get HC Givers the choice if they want to be involved in the restrictions, give them uponit7771 Oct 2014 #172

I would ask if anyone out there has passed along a virus unintentionally world wide wally Oct 2014 #5

I don't think the question is, have you ever unintentionally passed along a virus? Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #30

"Even though you knew better"? riqster Oct 2014 #51

Not only that, there was technically no signs of anything wrong with her. 99.5 is not a fever uponit7771 Oct 2014 #52

Truth. How many of those whipping snark at her know Thing One about medicine? riqster Oct 2014 #57

+1, but but... some talking head claims that 99.5 is a fever for a woman and DUr's take it like it's uponit7771 Oct 2014 #60

She acted responsibly and professionally. Good luck to her. riqster Oct 2014 #65

amen uponit7771 Oct 2014 #72

You might want to rethink that certainty. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #257

It is a fever for me. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #228

With all due respect, no she didn't. This is a matter of basic common sense. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #142

Crap. Unless you are a nurse, medical practitioner or epidemiologist, you have no business throwing riqster Oct 2014 #167

See #178. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #182

Ah, but before writing my OP, I DID consult with experts. riqster Oct 2014 #219

Ok then, we can agree to disagree. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #240

I would say that I consulted medical professionals instead of projecting my assumptions riqster Oct 2014 #242

Just saw the news that all people exposed to Duncan Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #261

Link? riqster Oct 2014 #266

. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #269

So, the guidance changed after her flight. riqster Oct 2014 #272

I'm not going to look for the link Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #274

And a good day to you and yours. riqster Oct 2014 #275

Given the facts? OF COURSE!! If I want to look at facts, common sense starts with common knowledge uponit7771 Oct 2014 #173

Apparently, she was symptomatic. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #268

It's here on DU and it's fucking disgusting. Thanks for posting this rebuttal, not that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #7

There's a lot of disrespect for healthcare workers on DU. Aristus Oct 2014 #11

Going after nurses proved Schwarze-Nazi's final undoing out here in KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #12

And that's the lowest thing of all: bashing nurses. Aristus Oct 2014 #16

No one.. sendero Oct 2014 #27

Yes, people ARE bashing nurses and this ones judgment when FACTUALLY there were NO SIGNS of anything uponit7771 Oct 2014 #49

People don't use their own common sense. We bow down to authority because we are convinced Pisces Oct 2014 #15

+1 /nt Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #31

Quarantined herself while THERE WAS NO SIGNS OF ANYTHING WRONG?! You're kidding... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #50

That is a normal temp for someone who has not come in contact with Ebola!! If you were directly Pisces Oct 2014 #162

She was not directly exposed, there's no proof of that... where are people getting this from!? uponit7771 Oct 2014 #202

THis is a life lesson. You have to trust your own common sense, she was obviously uncertain and Pisces Oct 2014 #245

That's not proof hat she was directly exposed to duncan uponit7771 Oct 2014 #246

Seriously? TM99 Oct 2014 #247

Here's the link to the story. She was directly exposed to Duncan. Pisces Oct 2014 #248

I'd say inserting a catheter, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #258

It's not often that I agree with you. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #23

Duly noted. riqster Oct 2014 #96

I absolutely do not blame Amber Vinson for geting on that plane. She got totodeinhere Oct 2014 #26

Really. marions ghost Oct 2014 #88

Did you know that in 2009 the head of the Texas Presbyterian hospital chain made KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #151

Oh criminy ... Trajan Oct 2014 #28

A stylistic choice. I understand that it is offensive to some. riqster Oct 2014 #112

What I don't understand is why she went to Ohio in the first place. pnwmom Oct 2014 #29

No they are not quarantined. They are doing self monitoring and that's it. totodeinhere Oct 2014 #33

She asked the CDC BEFORE leaving Dallas, if she could fly? SoapBox Oct 2014 #36

If you have a source showing she talked with them prior to the trip, I'd like to see it as what I've uppityperson Oct 2014 #81

You are correct. She asked the CDC to for permission to fly back to Dallas and totodeinhere Oct 2014 #131

And they okayed the flight because she was not in a high risk group. merrily Oct 2014 #161

also, 21 day self observation != stay away from society. Im sure that's not what these people signed uponit7771 Oct 2014 #35

Doesn't matter. That may be what is NECESSARY. calimary Oct 2014 #174

No,... we disagree on the facts there... No one signed up for Agent Orange... but they did sign up uponit7771 Oct 2014 #180

AHA! You hit on something REALLY important here! URGENTLY important. calimary Oct 2014 #203

+1, I place the onus on the hospital...not even the CDC...that place should NOT be paying someone... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #206

We got whiffs of that during the coverage today. When it was pointed out that calimary Oct 2014 #250

Ebola patient had CDC OK to fly from Cleveland to Dallas damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #59

+1, there was nothing wrong with Amber ... 99.5 is normal temp for healthy WOMAN.. for a guy maybe uponit7771 Oct 2014 #62

Ehh... her actions were still pretty fucking stupid. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #67

She had been exposed but no signs of anything being wrong with her including the NORMAL temp of 99.5 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #91

Apparently, 99.5 isn't normal for her or she wouldn't have called the CDC. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #100

Not the case, she could've been taken the extra step... I would've and if cleared would've uponit7771 Oct 2014 #108

Not me. If I know I've been exposed to Ebola I stay away from people. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #122

There was NO WAY she could've known that she was exposed to the diseases vs exposed uponit7771 Oct 2014 #141

What!? She is a nurse that has been exposed to the bodily fluids of a known ebloa patient. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #149

I'm disputing useing the world "exposure" here because it's obvlious, it could mean anything and... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #184

Exposure has a specific medical definition. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #194

I don't see ANYWHERE saying she exposed as highlighted... no where. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #204

+1000 snappyturtle Oct 2014 #145

Only if she puked, shat, or bled on them. riqster Oct 2014 #264

All the A**holes who are Insulting the Flying Ebola Nurse: Shut Your F***ing Faces The CCC Oct 2014 #68

This is false, she was not sick and 99.5 is a normal temp for a healthy woman. Talking heads calling uponit7771 Oct 2014 #82

I particularly love nurse and health care workers etherealtruth Oct 2014 #80

There were no signs anything was wrong with her, 99.5 is NOT a "temperature" for a healthy woman... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #85

I agree that no one was told anything etherealtruth Oct 2014 #144

The only ones to blame are the world leaders with the knowledge and resources valerief Oct 2014 #86

They couldn't be bothered with it so long as it was perceived to be a (mostly) KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #134

I am sure she was told, janlyn Oct 2014 #90

Yes, that's why I posted an OP yesterday... basically people said we'd have to be swimming in uponit7771 Oct 2014 #92

+1 LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #102

Punishment fetishists think blaming is solving. Iggo Oct 2014 #94

And that blaming the wrong people is OK, too. riqster Oct 2014 #106

"She put her life on the line".. so I get that means she can put everyone else's life too! TerrapinFlyer Oct 2014 #97

+1 I agree. KitSileya Oct 2014 #128

Eloquent! Feral Child Oct 2014 #103

S'truth. The systematic starvation of our health infrastructure is criminal. riqster Oct 2014 #109

Going to bite them in the ass, too. Feral Child Oct 2014 #129

Sorry, but no. liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #105

Why? There was NOTHING wrong with her, No signs of sickness, told the disease isn't contagious uponit7771 Oct 2014 #111

It is well-known that the incubation liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #115

She did NOT have a fever, that's what talking heads are saying and not a medical fact.. There were uponit7771 Oct 2014 #120

Actually yes there was something wrong. TM99 Oct 2014 #150

Thank you, you pretty much liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #171

Please show proof that she KNEW she was infected? Exposed could mean ANYTHING it's too oblivious... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #176

Thank you for making the point. TM99 Oct 2014 #188

How was she "exposed" to ebola using the same examples?! SHE WASN'T!!! Exposed is WAY to oblivious.. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #192

Are you assuming she *doesn't* know how diseases her patients have are transmitted? KitSileya Oct 2014 #208

Not EVERY SINGLE ONE of them!! We're not talking about diseases" we're talking about VHFs uponit7771 Oct 2014 #213

No not each and every one of them. But the ones her patients had? KitSileya Oct 2014 #217

You are being utterly ridiculous. TM99 Oct 2014 #215

THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2014 #259

+1 snagglepuss Oct 2014 #239

+1 LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #125

She is an American hero, when you think about it. Helen Borg Oct 2014 #132

Yes marions ghost Oct 2014 #154

How would you know? Maybe she's a piss-poor nurse, for all ANYONE knows. randome Oct 2014 #156

Whether or not she is a piss poor nurse or works every day, she did not refuse to care for merrily Oct 2014 #159

Hard to get Ebola by being an absenteeist. Just saying... Helen Borg Oct 2014 #212

I'm sorry but I would posit that people stop victim blaming period. Ignorance arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #136

You can hear the excitement in their posts about who to blame. randome Oct 2014 #160

That's my take too. Demonize the worlds pathetic response to West Africa's plight if they must. nt arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #175

DU Rec! In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #137

Yes treestar Oct 2014 #155

Erin O'Brien fadedrose Oct 2014 #164

I like to watch Jane Valez-Mitchel during that hour. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #179

I had to put her name in Search fadedrose Oct 2014 #189

You're welcome. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #196

I just found out that her show is being cancelled due to budget cuts! Arrrrrrgh! MoonRiver Oct 2014 #235

So are the words "asshole" and "fucking" acceptable or not? Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #210

The OP is a repost of a blog, which is hosted elsewhere. riqster Oct 2014 #226

Ambers gut instincts told her not to fly. FarPoint Oct 2014 #211

Perhaps. Mind-reading is tricky, though. riqster Oct 2014 #227

I thought about that too... FarPoint Oct 2014 #231

I can't disagree with this. woo me with science Oct 2014 #220

Thanks. Now and again, the hulk comes out, as it were. riqster Oct 2014 #224

"The flying ebola nurse." I see a new ABC series in the works. randome Oct 2014 #230

I agree, except for one thing customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #251

Good post, this brave young woman put her life on the line and was let down by her employers. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #252

Well, _that_ was persuasive. Heidi Oct 2014 #262

AV sought permission to fly because she was reluctant to do so on her own say-so, because SHE KNEW WinkyDink Oct 2014 #265

She Deserves Some Blame erpowers Oct 2014 #267

I won't give her a pass. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #273