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53. PS. The most lasting effect of Reagan, IMO, is that his victory

Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:06 PM

Oct 2014

provided the rationale for the DLC/Third Way types, for the institution of Super Delegates (tried, but failed to carry enough votes after McGovern's loss) and, in general, more and more movement by Democrats to, one way or the other, take Presidential primaries out of the hands of voters. (The Republicans followed the lead of the Democrats as to Super Delegates.)

As strong a leader as FDR was, some of his policies were voted out while he was still President. Reagan has not been President in 22 years, Dimson not in almost 5.

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Saudi Arabia Sentences Cleric to Crucifixion [View all] Babel_17 Oct 2014 OP

The BFEE's bestest of friends madokie Oct 2014 #1

If anyone sees/hears about this on TV or the radio ... Babel_17 Oct 2014 #2

He a Shia Muslim ..... which is important Ichingcarpenter Oct 2014 #3

Horrific what is done to citizens by their own government get the red out Oct 2014 #4

careful, somebody will probably be here soon saying we should respect their culture snooper2 Oct 2014 #6

I would say that a country that has put 30 to death so far this year has little credibility in DrDan Oct 2014 #9

But, but, but . . . . that's different We use "civilized" methods of execution. Arkansas Granny Oct 2014 #12

oh yeah - I forgot - our finely-tuned electric chairs are admired around the world for their DrDan Oct 2014 #13

And our "humane" make-do drug cocktails tblue Oct 2014 #32

In a few cases it was less then "civilized" QuestionAlways Oct 2014 #51

agreed Arkansas Granny Oct 2014 #55

Well, what if it's not the "country" criticizing? Adrahil Oct 2014 #15

How about a country edhopper Oct 2014 #17

I think it is wrong for any reason DrDan Oct 2014 #19

but you don't think edhopper Oct 2014 #22

I think it is hypocritical DrDan Oct 2014 #30

true edhopper Oct 2014 #35

Hypocritical?...Um, no..You've heard the phrase "cruel and unusual punishment"? whathehell Oct 2014 #42

yep - nothing barbaric about this DrDan Oct 2014 #45

Sure, it's just LIKE getting your head cut off in public..Ask death row inmates THEIR preference. whathehell Oct 2014 #49

so the difference in state-sponsored killings comes down to whether they DrDan Oct 2014 #54

Um, no. There is that "cruel and unusual punishment" thing as well. whathehell Oct 2014 #59

got it - you have no concern with the torture involved with our execution methods DrDan Oct 2014 #64

LOL..No, again, you haven't "got it". Torture -- physical and mental -- is my concern whathehell Oct 2014 #70

electric-chair torture? not an issue for you I guess DrDan Oct 2014 #72

You guess wrong, as usual, lol whathehell Oct 2014 #80

Your post inspired me to look up that phrase JonLP24 Oct 2014 #83

That's nice.. whathehell Oct 2014 #85

Here in the US it depends on what bar you are in! Sam1 Oct 2014 #77

You were right get the red out Oct 2014 #16

Bingo!...The "crucifixion apologists" have taken the stage! whathehell Oct 2014 #31

The death is by beheading. tblue Oct 2014 #38

Well, that's a big relief..Who could object to that? whathehell Oct 2014 #46

"and, apparently, so does every other country in the Western World" - you do DrDan Oct 2014 #56

Yes I DO realize that, and you get the prize for utter and complete predictability, whathehell Oct 2014 #60

you seem to place a lot of faith in your view of death row inmates - may I ask for DrDan Oct 2014 #65

Say whaaat?..I don't have a 'view' of death row inmates, beyond an whathehell Oct 2014 #68

what is your assumption based on? anything relevant, or simply your own biases DrDan Oct 2014 #73

Common knowledge as to what constitutes "cruel & unusual punishment" in Western societies? whathehell Oct 2014 #79

Then why are so many celebrating the lady with cancer Drayden Oct 2014 #98

I think you've onfused me with someone else.. whathehell Oct 2014 #99

Before or after someone intentionally confuses "culture" with "government"? LanternWaste Oct 2014 #36

In a theocracy like Saudi Arabia hifiguy Oct 2014 #40

Snooper, I wonder why you so glibly disparage the concept... Nitram Oct 2014 #52

Who the hell would defend Saudi Arabia? JonLP24 Oct 2014 #81

It may be more of an oilliance than an alliance. merrily Oct 2014 #26

Bingo! And the Bushes loves them some oilmen. tblue Oct 2014 #39

Sorry, all American Presidents love them. They have to. We're very oil dependent merrily Oct 2014 #43

I agree get the red out Oct 2014 #47

There was deification of Reagan and demonization of Carter, but the bottom line was money. merrily Oct 2014 #48

PS. The most lasting effect of Reagan, IMO, is that his victory merrily Oct 2014 #53

Here's a link to another source n2doc Oct 2014 #5

Thanks Babel_17 Oct 2014 #20

Misleading brooklynite Oct 2014 #7

Oh, well in that case it's just fine then! Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #8

I don't disagree Babel_17 Oct 2014 #24

Oh, that's MUCH nicer -- He's being beheaded & having his dead BODY crucified! whathehell Oct 2014 #34

Crucifixion is a slow and tortuous way to die bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #41

Beheading IS ugly, and, like I've suggested in other posts, if you gave death row prisoners whathehell Oct 2014 #50

desecrating a corpse and putting it on public display is worse than what ISIS does nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #62

Thank you was going to post just that LukeFL Oct 2014 #94

why, that's totally not barbaric, thank you for that vital clarificiation. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #61

You can expect a strong and immediate edhopper Oct 2014 #10

We have more people in prison than anyone else in the world Johonny Oct 2014 #11

Agreed edhopper Oct 2014 #14

Hey, the Saudis are open minded about executions. hifiguy Oct 2014 #25

Right -- and you seriously imagine that's analogous to beheadings and crucifixions? whathehell Oct 2014 #37

both systems are barbaric G_j Oct 2014 #67

. nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #18

Not defending any of it, but merrily Oct 2014 #28

So we bark at China when a cop hits a protester, how about when Saudi Arabia beheads Rex Oct 2014 #21

Well, he wasn't a Christian, after all... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #27

Not quite white, either. Or Euro. Poor guy is 0 for 3 merrily Oct 2014 #29

Sadly, both of you are spot on. Rex Oct 2014 #33

So he was a Muslim criticizing his own? LukeFL Oct 2014 #95

not while SA can control the global price of oil, no. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #63

Saudi Arabia. hifiguy Oct 2014 #23

Crucifixion's a doddle. geardaddy Oct 2014 #44

The enemy of my enemy is my friend..or enemy...kinda my pal...but let's just give them money. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #57

So Jesus came back as a Saudi dissident? KamaAina Oct 2014 #58

Fox news and the Repugs should be going crazy over this.... Hotler Oct 2014 #66

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia Babel_17 Oct 2014 #69

What is different about Saudi Arabia? Babel_17 Oct 2014 #71

Huh, I just now saw this Babel_17 Oct 2014 #75

So, what�s it like to be beheaded there? Babel_17 Oct 2014 #74

there you go - the religon of peace once again samsingh Oct 2014 #76

I see it as the laws of tyrants Babel_17 Oct 2014 #78

But we daren't criticize them cos that's islamaphobic... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #82

That's right, because for some, the greatest sin of all is being "culturally intolerant". whathehell Oct 2014 #86

Screw them it's not a religion of peace LukeFL Oct 2014 #96

At the very least, point out Christian atrocities such as the Crusades, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #92

And when was this? LukeFL Oct 2014 #97

Yes, the point is that in terms of barbaric violence, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #100

Barbaric! just plain sick, inhuman, and evil! hrmjustin Oct 2014 #84

And yet somehow the Saudi monarchy is LESS Islamist than its people would prefer. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #87

A sense of being part of a larger Culture Babel_17 Oct 2014 #90

There's a vicious cycle of censorship and bigotry in the region. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #91

When do the humanitarian bombings and embargoes start? TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #88

After the CNN expose Babel_17 Oct 2014 #89

What year was this? Because LukeFL Oct 2014 #93

Saudis continue to voice support for Sheikh al-Nimr Babel_17 Oct 2014 #101

Amnesty International Babel_17 Oct 2014 #102