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Yo_Mama

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23. I have been horrified at the dynamic here
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:14 PM
Oct 2014

The surge to blame the lowest person on the totem pole for all the failures of the ones on top ... I can't think it bodes well either for a successful disease response effort or for the cultural/political life of the nation.

The fact that so little distress is caused by seeing this play out in front of our eyes is even more distressing and confounding to me.

Many people on this site are willing to condemn the nurse for not ignoring the CDC's advice. I cannot think that's helpful, and truthfully, if she had ignored it and gone to another local hospital, the consequences might have been worse. So I do not necessarily trust the CDC for the implication that the advice was in error or given by an underling. I think by her second call that excuse is gone. I think they made a judgment call to which they are now not willing to confess.

The probability was that she just had a mild virus. Unless she had indeed contracted Ebola, the political optic of having an HCW walk into a hospital in other state saying "Put me in isolation and test me, I think I may have Ebola," would have been unfortunate. If she did have Ebola, then the chances that another hospital would have ensuing cases would be far MORE unfortunate. So I think the decision was made to quietly route her back to Dallas. Then when she tested positive and they decided they had to inform the passengers and airline, the media shit hit the fan and the nurse got hung out to dry.

Theoretically DU culture is feminist, science-based, willing to question authority, and in favor of unions. What I am seeing playing out here on this forum is exactly the opposite. If I have to read one more post by some jerk claiming that the hospital was at fault for not using Hazmat suits to take care of Duncan I think I'll scream. CDC's protocols were followed, as they now admit. Although those protocols have gotten a lot more detailed now, they still aren't mandating equipment that hospitals don't have. This is public information, yet everyone ignores it.

Of all the players in this most unfortunate national drama, it seems to me that right now the nurse's unions are forcing the best changes, i.e., they are most functional. Should that surprise DU? If change has to come from the bottom up, shouldn't we be helping that change along?


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Contact with bodily fluids liberal N proud Oct 2014 #1
But ask yourself what changed in the 24 hours? morningfog Oct 2014 #2
She could have vomited for the first time on the plane. They're just lucky she didn't. pnwmom Oct 2014 #20
Frieden used weasel words. boston bean Oct 2014 #3
Frieden will testify up on the hill today MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #5
I hope a representative asks point blank: morningfog Oct 2014 #6
The mixed messaging has been ridiculous. MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #7
If you have been exposed... sendero Oct 2014 #10
YUP. Any other attitude is simply whistling past the graveyard. n/y cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #47
The risk is that the fever will suddenly escalate, and the patient will pnwmom Oct 2014 #21
I agree with your basic premise, but she bears a lot of responsibility liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #17
CDC allowed her to go on the trip. LisaL Oct 2014 #42
public health officials do the hands on monitoring Tweedy Oct 2014 #55
I simply can't imagine taking even the slightest chance of infecting my own family. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #4
" Her decision to hop on a plane at that point..." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #9
She went on the trip before the first HCW infection. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #13
Excellent post. Who in his or her right would consent to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #22
I have been horrified at the dynamic here Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #23
Thank you for saying this Aerows Oct 2014 #28
Why are we blaming anyone at all? Lns.Lns Oct 2014 #30
Yes, we have to address the real risks and help the victims. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #32
Her fever could have spiked during the flight. LisaL Oct 2014 #43
I happen to agree with you Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #44
I think it's obvious CDC guidelines are all kind of wrong. LisaL Oct 2014 #45
Like I said everyone is getting too defensive over this Lns.Lns Oct 2014 #46
Doctor sent him home, not the nurse. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #50
Now that is what I agree with Lns.Lns Oct 2014 #52
Well stated! TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #35
She wasn't quarantined. None of them were. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #37
Do we know she really called? Do we know if she explained clearly who she was Schema Thing Oct 2014 #8
Yes. the CDC has already confirmed. apples and oranges Oct 2014 #12
thx Schema Thing Oct 2014 #14
You're supposing the CDC didn't provide ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #18
They gave them the number to call. LisaL Oct 2014 #48
'not a serious risk,' 'less likely' is not comforting to the person(s) apples and oranges Oct 2014 #11
That's lawyer speak for "You are about as likely to get hit by a meteor" Fumesucker Oct 2014 #15
Also they should have told the media that the Texas hospital was no longer taking ebola patients. jwirr Oct 2014 #16
The CDCs big mistake was not taking charge. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #19
That's true in a way, but clearly CDC decided that they had to contact the passengers, Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #27
What BS. The nurse was calling the CDC to get expert advice. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #33
SHE WASN'T IN QUARANTINE NONE OF THEM WERE Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #36
She dd ask CDC. LisaL Oct 2014 #40
THEY WERE TREATING PATIENTS Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #41
Slight technical note: "slander" is spoken language; "libel" is the written variant. But KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #49
You're right, but there is plenty of slander on the airwaves. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #51
Spot On, morningfog! KMOD Oct 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #26
How can the nurse know better if cdc doesn't know better? LisaL Oct 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #29
It would be a height of irresponsibility LisaL Oct 2014 #38
At this point nobody knows how ebola spreads and what the risks are because Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #54
We've been quite familiar with Ebola for nearly 40 years. morningfog Oct 2014 #56
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