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Yo_Mama

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44. I happen to agree with you
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 03:57 PM
Oct 2014

But neither of us was involved in the decision-making process.

I don't think she should have been on that flight. I think the proper procedure would have been to direct her to a well-equpped hospital locally, warn the hospital, and then hold her in isolation until she got the WHO-recommended two negative tests 48 hours apart. Which she would not have gotten. Once the first nurse was known positive, that was, to my mind, the only possible correct procedure.

I have, and a lot of people have, been agitating for a slightly more serious standard since early September, long before Mr. Duncan ever showed up at that hospital.

In late August, CDC revealed that they had had 57 or 58 requests for Ebola testing and that they had actually tested only 7 or eight times. So, I just don't want to hear the nurse blamed for this. It is not at all clear to me that if the nurse had gone to a local hospital that the CDC would have tested her. They might have told her just to go, and then I guess she could have hung out at a local motel until she got really sick.

Maybe a state authority would have argued it out and gotten a test, but her symptoms were unclear and doctors have been asking for tests and not getting them, so to me this is just one more in the long line of "mistakes will happen". It could have happened long before now.

Here is the current CDC guidance from their website. Note that there is no monitoring recommendation whatsoever for HCW who were exposed to patients while wearing PPE:
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-prevention-and-control-recommendations.html

HCP who develop sudden onset of fever, intense weakness or muscle pains, vomiting, diarrhea, or any signs of hemorrhage after an unprotected exposure (i.e. not wearing recommended PPE at the time of patient contact or through direct contact to blood or body fluids) to a patient with EVD should

Not report to work or should immediately stop working
Notify their supervisor
Seek prompt medical evaluation and testing
Notify local and state health departments
Comply with work exclusion until they are deemed no longer infectious to others

For asymptomatic HCP who had an unprotected exposure (i.e. not wearing recommended PPE at the time of patient contact or through direct contact to blood or body fluids) to a patient with Ebola HF

Should receive medical evaluation and follow-up care including fever monitoring twice daily for 21 days after the last known exposure.
Hospitals should consider policies ensuring twice daily contact with exposed personnel to discuss potential symptoms and document fever checks
May continue to work while receiving twice daily fever checks, based upon hospital policy and discussion with local, state, and federal public health authorities.


That is all. She did not even fall into that last risk category. She was considered extremely low-risk, and was indeed qualified to fly under CDC guidelines.

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Contact with bodily fluids liberal N proud Oct 2014 #1
But ask yourself what changed in the 24 hours? morningfog Oct 2014 #2
She could have vomited for the first time on the plane. They're just lucky she didn't. pnwmom Oct 2014 #20
Frieden used weasel words. boston bean Oct 2014 #3
Frieden will testify up on the hill today MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #5
I hope a representative asks point blank: morningfog Oct 2014 #6
The mixed messaging has been ridiculous. MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #7
If you have been exposed... sendero Oct 2014 #10
YUP. Any other attitude is simply whistling past the graveyard. n/y cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #47
The risk is that the fever will suddenly escalate, and the patient will pnwmom Oct 2014 #21
I agree with your basic premise, but she bears a lot of responsibility liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #17
CDC allowed her to go on the trip. LisaL Oct 2014 #42
public health officials do the hands on monitoring Tweedy Oct 2014 #55
I simply can't imagine taking even the slightest chance of infecting my own family. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #4
" Her decision to hop on a plane at that point..." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #9
She went on the trip before the first HCW infection. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #13
Excellent post. Who in his or her right would consent to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #22
I have been horrified at the dynamic here Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #23
Thank you for saying this Aerows Oct 2014 #28
Why are we blaming anyone at all? Lns.Lns Oct 2014 #30
Yes, we have to address the real risks and help the victims. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #32
Her fever could have spiked during the flight. LisaL Oct 2014 #43
I happen to agree with you Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #44
I think it's obvious CDC guidelines are all kind of wrong. LisaL Oct 2014 #45
Like I said everyone is getting too defensive over this Lns.Lns Oct 2014 #46
Doctor sent him home, not the nurse. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #50
Now that is what I agree with Lns.Lns Oct 2014 #52
Well stated! TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #35
She wasn't quarantined. None of them were. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #37
Do we know she really called? Do we know if she explained clearly who she was Schema Thing Oct 2014 #8
Yes. the CDC has already confirmed. apples and oranges Oct 2014 #12
thx Schema Thing Oct 2014 #14
You're supposing the CDC didn't provide ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #18
They gave them the number to call. LisaL Oct 2014 #48
'not a serious risk,' 'less likely' is not comforting to the person(s) apples and oranges Oct 2014 #11
That's lawyer speak for "You are about as likely to get hit by a meteor" Fumesucker Oct 2014 #15
Also they should have told the media that the Texas hospital was no longer taking ebola patients. jwirr Oct 2014 #16
The CDCs big mistake was not taking charge. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #19
That's true in a way, but clearly CDC decided that they had to contact the passengers, Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #27
What BS. The nurse was calling the CDC to get expert advice. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #33
SHE WASN'T IN QUARANTINE NONE OF THEM WERE Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #36
She dd ask CDC. LisaL Oct 2014 #40
THEY WERE TREATING PATIENTS Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #41
Slight technical note: "slander" is spoken language; "libel" is the written variant. But KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #49
You're right, but there is plenty of slander on the airwaves. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #51
Spot On, morningfog! KMOD Oct 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #26
How can the nurse know better if cdc doesn't know better? LisaL Oct 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #29
It would be a height of irresponsibility LisaL Oct 2014 #38
At this point nobody knows how ebola spreads and what the risks are because Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #54
We've been quite familiar with Ebola for nearly 40 years. morningfog Oct 2014 #56
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