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TorchTheWitch

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47. the CDC provided incorrect protocols
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:03 PM
Oct 2014

The CDC's protocols for protective clothing did not meet the standard for a BSL-4 infected patient. It did not call for head to toe covering. It did not call for disinfection of the clothing before removal, disinfection of the bottoms of shoes or disinfection of floors, walls, etc. where infection could be tracked. It did not call for special training for the staff or practice getting in and out of the protective clothing. It did not call for supervision of the staff by experts in getting in and out of the protective clothing.

The hospital didn't even HAVE the protective clothing that is required to care for a BSL-4 infected patient, didn't HAVE the infrastructure, didn't HAVE trained and experienced staff to care for a BSL-4 infected patient. But it was the CDC who previously and erroneously told everyone that any hospital could safely care for a BSL-4 infected patient when they KNEW they could not. It was the CDC that approved the handling of Mr. Duncan's care at a hospital it KNEW was not prepared to do so. It left Mr. Duncan's care to this hospital with no guidance, monitoring or supervising what was going on, etc. Every other Ebola infected patient was sent to one of the four hospitals in the nation that has the infrastructure, equipment and trained and experienced staff to handle BSL-4 infected patients. Why wasn't Mr. Duncan?

The CDC is the nation's authority when it comes to infectious disease and how it is handled. The CDC made the decision that this regular hospital could safely handle Mr. Duncan's care when it could not, gave inadequate protocols for a BSL-4 infected patient and did not monitor or supervise what was happening during that care. The CDC's JOB is to provide appropriate protocols and guidelines concerning infectious disease, to make sure that hospitals communicate appropriate information and training to their staff, and monitor and supervise that care to safeguard against any possible mistakes. They are also the authority to make decisions concerning whether or not a patient requires specialized care and to remove them to the appropriate facility. The CDC did that with all the Americans that became infected with Ebola but for whatever idiotic reason did not for Mr. Duncan.

The CDC did not tell the hospital not to do high risk end of life procedures on the patient such as the dialysis and ventilation. They did not tell the hospital not to have so many people caring for Mr. Duncan and that those people should not care for any other patient. They did not examine the ICU where a makeshift ward was set up for his care to make sure there was negative air flow, separate suction receptacles, appropriate handling of waste or disinfection. They assured the hospital that Mr. Duncan could be safely cared for in their inappropriate facility, provided inadequate protocols for a BSL-4 infected patient, and paid no attention to what was happening during his care which we have since learned was monstrous.

Further, the CDC did not quarantine any of the workers who cared for Mr. Duncan after that care believing their inadequate PPE protocols were an Ebola brick wall. Those workers only had to self-monitor their own selves while continuing to live their lives as normal including continuing to go to work and handle patients. Caring for an infected patient is THE highest risk of exposure which is WHY such stringent measures are required to care for a BSL-4 infected patient. The CDC, however, decided that the workers' were at such low risk that they were not quarantined when the CDC has quarantined many other people that had FAR less exposure to infection.

Clearly, you don't know anything about what the CDC does or what it SHOULD be doing. They are THE authority of the NATION concerning infectious disease, it's correct handling and any necessary decisions that go along with that. EVERY state is subject to the CDC's authority. When the CDC says you need to lock down your hospital in Ohio for whatever reason for example, the state must do so. The CDC is also responsible for giving advise to the PRESIDENT on infectious disease matters to REQUIRE that XYZ needs to be done - the PRESIDENT is subject to the CDC's authority on such matters, and no president would be so stupid as to not follow whatever is needed according the CDC just as they wouldn't if the FDA said XYZ was necessary for whatever reason. We have all kinds of agencies in this country that are responsible for certain issues and report to and advise the government on what is needed, and the president, etc. takes that advice because those agencies are the experts... or they're supposed to be.

Sorry, but you have no idea what the scope of the CDC is nor it's level of authority.

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That's a good thing. Little Star Oct 2014 #1
We need our states to regulate our hospitals to make certain our hospitals are prepared Tweedy Oct 2014 #2
the State Departments of Health riverwalker Oct 2014 #5
How to explain it? Tweedy Oct 2014 #7
Maybe you should have gone to that department's website MineralMan Oct 2014 #8
I'm not talking now riverwalker Oct 2014 #10
notice the dates of all the updates riverwalker Oct 2014 #14
And I was supposed to know that how, exactly? MineralMan Oct 2014 #17
On Oct 6 riverwalker Oct 2014 #22
I did riverwalker Oct 2014 #16
And now the site reflects updated information. MineralMan Oct 2014 #21
It's not "hindsight" riverwalker Oct 2014 #24
can do without riverwalker Oct 2014 #20
It's October 16th now. MineralMan Oct 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author riverwalker Oct 2014 #46
I'm afraid the consequences of that YarnAddict Oct 2014 #12
Hospitals need to be able to deal with outbreaks Tweedy Oct 2014 #25
It's a problem YarnAddict Oct 2014 #26
Flu Tweedy Oct 2014 #27
no they don't TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #35
Confusion Tweedy Oct 2014 #37
the CDC provided incorrect protocols TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #47
What? Tweedy Oct 2014 #48
Oh dear Lord! TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #49
Trying to make a point Tweedy Oct 2014 #51
The CDC is involved in many countries in the world Marrah_G Oct 2014 #53
Yes, but they don't have authority in other countries TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #54
First mistake Tweedy Oct 2014 #38
Texas Health care system FAIL notrightatall Oct 2014 #3
CDC fail as well B2G Oct 2014 #4
Nope, this one's on Texas. notrightatall Oct 2014 #9
Bullshit B2G Oct 2014 #13
Didn't say anything of the sort. notrightatall Oct 2014 #18
Maybe zero mortality Tweedy Oct 2014 #39
Yup, it's all on TEXAS. notrightatall Oct 2014 #40
Don't know about that without more info Tweedy Oct 2014 #43
I'm being a "tad" hyperbolic ................. notrightatall Oct 2014 #44
Should have realized Tweedy Oct 2014 #45
You need to listen to the whistleblower nurse TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #55
That hospital did not try, sent him home, did not require pp for 2days. notrightatall Oct 2014 #56
Knowing how hospitals work, this is mostly on the attending physician, imo. TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #59
I think more on admin. notrightatall Oct 2014 #60
Cdc has done its job Tweedy Oct 2014 #41
Well, just a couple of days YarnAddict Oct 2014 #15
No, not OK. notrightatall Oct 2014 #28
It's a national problem YarnAddict Oct 2014 #31
Mostly a Texas induced National problem, at this point. notrightatall Oct 2014 #32
Well, maybe the problem YarnAddict Oct 2014 #33
He did not lie to the TEXAS hospital who sent him home, sentencing him to death. notrightatall Oct 2014 #34
He told about his travel history on the first visit, from reports I read. moriah Oct 2014 #50
As he stated on his deathbed, he thought he was helping a woman who might be having Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #52
+1 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #30
Only if you believe cdc is omnipotent Tweedy Oct 2014 #19
Leaving on a jet plane. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #6
Again notrightatall Oct 2014 #11
Good. IMHO her life was at risk in TH Pres. They are not capable of safely treating Ebola cases. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #29
Not to mention the risk to nurses, doctors and other patients. bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #62
Which is why I DID mention staff safety in my post. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #66
How about some media outlet slamming Rick Perry for his poor response JCMach1 Oct 2014 #36
He gets indicted on felony charges and we get crickets. notrightatall Oct 2014 #42
Not only that, didn't he take a foreign trip as all this shite was hitting the fan? JCMach1 Oct 2014 #67
Yes, we went to euro-Disney notrightatall Oct 2014 #68
her blood is gold nt DeadEyeDyck Oct 2014 #57
Yes. She is on the road to recovery JimDandy Oct 2014 #58
That is a very premature statement TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #61
All the US patients survived who were given transfusions containing the Ebola antigen JimDandy Oct 2014 #63
Not according to an infectious disease specialist TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #64
Again, 100% Ebola survival rate in the US JimDandy Oct 2014 #65
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