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72. Certainly, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy wanted Obama to be the nominee.

Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:55 PM

Oct 2014

We can find links to support all that.

The DNC's adverse rulings on a state or two didn't hurt Obama, either.

And I had the feeling at least MSNBC was pulling for Obama as nominee, too.

I don't know about the networks. It was pretty clear they were not for Dean in 2004, but I did not notice anything blatant on behalf of Obama in 2008. However, some program recently re-ran the reaction from media after Obama's 2004 speech at the Democratic National Convention that nominated Kerry. They guys in the news booths (forgot who they were) didn't even let him finish before they started saying he'd be President. It was a great speech, yes, but I don't recall news people going from "Who is this guy?" to "Oval Office" on the basis of one speech.

What also helped, Bush's entire administration and global economic collapse in June 2008. That trumped any October surprise I can recall.

As far as the losers on the Republican side, I don't know who picked them.

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they wouldn't spend a nickel hfojvt Oct 2014 #2

The MSM would not be the only ones, nor would Republicans. merrily Oct 2014 #32

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That's why I get out there very publicly on Facebook, especially on insane threads that are seen Ed Suspicious Oct 2014 #156

Sounds like another good reason for him to run. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #6

exactly! G_j Oct 2014 #25

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They could drop ten billion and not even feel it. PeteSelman Oct 2014 #12

I do. Xyzse Oct 2014 #18

and if it worked? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #30

What do you mean? That Bernie run? Xyzse Oct 2014 #42

he doesn't even get a chance at the Primaries UNTIL he BECOMES a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #62

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No he has not..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #73

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first he is not a Democrat VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #90

I thought Hillary was a Repub. JEB Oct 2014 #114

welllll.....there you go "thinking again".... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #115

Hillary is a corporate candidate JEB Oct 2014 #117

no she isnt thats a lie... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #131

and this is Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #116

Ah, so only Democrats can win the Presidency. Nice straw man. Tommymac Oct 2014 #133

and THIS is Democratic Underground..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #135

Bernie Sanders is the Best 'Democrat' in Congress...even though he is not a member of the Party. Tommymac Oct 2014 #138

You asked if HE could get elected President... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #146

and its still Front-runner 64%.......Bernie...4%! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #147

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oh yeah....3 weeks...what a window VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #100

I mean, 3 weeks before the election happens. Xyzse Oct 2014 #101

he can do whatever he wants.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #105

I understand. Xyzse Oct 2014 #108

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Grape or cherry? merrily Oct 2014 #37

Cherry rhett o rick Oct 2014 #65

FDR was only 63 when he died MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #61

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soooooo....I think YOU have been doing much VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #110

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ONLY because YOU think YOU are the voice of the Democrats....YOU are NOT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #136

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Impossible. PeteSelman Oct 2014 #13

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Ahh, but wouldn't it be great if we SheilaT Oct 2014 #28

If Bernie wins, it will matter less how much money the Koch's have. merrily Oct 2014 #40

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Almost? merrily Oct 2014 #41

If they're not gettin paid, they're gettin played. nt adirondacker Oct 2014 #46

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! adirondacker Oct 2014 #109

Awww, thank you so much! Back at you. We all need a voice. merrily Oct 2014 #111

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He isn't expressing any reluctance to run. merrily Oct 2014 #51

Nothing, because he would lose in the primaries Renew Deal Oct 2014 #21

Disagree on both counts. They don't want him with a megaphone to spread his ideas. merrily Oct 2014 #50

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Nice cut-and-paste from the 2008 Obama campaign BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #31

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #34

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #38

None. In fact I'm sure they hope he does run. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #48

+1. Bernie's support, such as it is, comes from VT and forums like this. Like it or not, Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #57

You are mistaken about how much the Koch's would spend. merrily Oct 2014 #58

Do you think big business worried much about Dennis Kucinich? brooklynite Oct 2014 #98

Because Kuciinich and Sanders are the same? And the Koch brothers make up all of big business? merrily Oct 2014 #102

So if Sanders and the Koch brothers are all anamolous entities... brooklynite Oct 2014 #103

I did not say Sanders and Koch brothers are all anomolous entities. merrily Oct 2014 #107

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He might have a chance in the primary but for some strange reason scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #55

We are supposed to buy that she is a sure shot in the general--and no one merrily Oct 2014 #60

It all depends on the Ruling Oligarchs. I think they wanted Obama to win in 2008. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #67

Certainly, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy wanted Obama to be the nominee. merrily Oct 2014 #72

Yes but just how many Democrats that were still living in the 60's INdemo Oct 2014 #83

I may not be understanding. merrily Oct 2014 #84

No I meant how many Democrats just didn't vote because they refused to vote for INdemo Oct 2014 #95

Ah, thanks for the explanation. That clears up my question. merrily Oct 2014 #99

Senator Sanders spares us the BS. That's good. Babel_17 Oct 2014 #64

I'm ready. Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #77

So, a Sanders candidacy would pour million$ into the economy? Beartracks Oct 2014 #78

+1 hedgehog Oct 2014 #106

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I have began telling people who will listen dotymed Oct 2014 #120

How much did Hillary cost? JEB Oct 2014 #122

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They sure paid Cuomo handsomely. nt adirondacker Oct 2014 #137

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