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45. That's why I reversed the argument. If I could prove favoritism on one group, can I prove

Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:12 PM

Oct 2014

discrimination on another?

It might help to know that we're dealing with a good ole boy culture which is patriarchal and condescending. When I say that they do things for the "good of the community," I mean, they are not above committing fraud and promoting conspiracies. We are talking about an insular society that has found shelter in these economic development departments.

I'm just looking for a way to put it into a legal context.

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Fourteenth Amendment Question for DUers who have access to University/College databases. [View all] Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 OP

Try this ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #1

Thank you so much, 1SBM. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #2

I completely understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #3

Actually, that sounds like the mental stampede that I'm looking for. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #5

And in the end, few are less definitive than good lawyers because the law is complex, merrily Oct 2014 #11

If I understand what you are writing ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #17

Yep. You seem to have understood what I wrote. merrily Oct 2014 #19

Not really. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #24

If you didn't see the humor of my wording in the context of what we were discussing, merrily Oct 2014 #25

You can try Google Scholar as well, although it doesn't always provide petronius Oct 2014 #4

I never even heard of Google Scholar! Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #6

Try, also, Google Books. enlightenment Oct 2014 #13

It's Christmas! Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #15

Clearly, you're enlightenment Oct 2014 #16

Yay! That's what I was going to suggest! Iris Oct 2014 #51

Simply intrigued, or again seeking help from DUers to help you win a battle on another forum? merrily Oct 2014 #7

You summarized my dilemma beautifully. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #8

Are you sure you want a college database, or would a legal one help more? merrily Oct 2014 #9

I am not about to turn away free legal advice. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #10

I know some who have self identified on the board as lawyers IRL. merrily Oct 2014 #12

If that's the case, it's best that they make that decision for themselves. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #14

The Fourteenth Amendment is what binds the states to give equal protection, but not merrily Oct 2014 #18

Close ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #23

By "protected minority group," I meant a group that will trigger strict judicial scrutiny, if merrily Oct 2014 #27

Okay, I see the sticking point ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #34

Can I prove discrimination by simply proving a group is being favored? Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #32

Discrimination is one thing. Impermissible discrimination is another. merrily Oct 2014 #36

Yes and No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #37

Yes! Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #40

Second only to "it depends." merrily Oct 2014 #42

Just the "meaning" of the term "minority". eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #49

You disagree with me as to the meaning of a term I haven't defined? Cool. merrily Oct 2014 #57

Okay. Now, you're arguing just to argue. Done. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #60

Um, you think I'm the one who's been arguing with you just to argue? merrily Oct 2014 #61

Okay. eom 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #62

"If not, then the discrimination need only have some rational basis and the court will strive.. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #30

Ah, you WANT the govt to be able to discriminate. That helps. merrily Oct 2014 #33

Noooo. Absolutely not. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #38

Same initial questions: merrily Oct 2014 #46

Thank you! Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #47

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #39

Correct. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #41

From BB's Reply 30, you got the opposite? This is his reply 30, which begins with a quote from my merrily Oct 2014 #43

That's why I reversed the argument. If I could prove favoritism on one group, can I prove Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #45

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #52

Putting it in my words, they have created two divided and segregated classes. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #53

I figured as much ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #54

Right now my interest is in writing down the details in a coherent manner. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #55

"economic status is not covered under Federal law (by design, I'm sure)." Yep. All levels of govt. merrily Oct 2014 #58

I know that there's an answer out there because common sense tells me Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #66

No, but you asked about the 14th amendment, esp. due process and equal pro, not criminal law. merrily Oct 2014 #67

Merrily, you have been very helpful. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #68

You're welcome. I'm still not sure I have been helpful, but I sure hope so! nt merrily Oct 2014 #70

I have always known that I wanted to accomplish something where everyone could benefit. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #76

One more wiki link that you might find useful. merrily Oct 2014 #73

Hi, BB. Checking in, as I said last night. merrily Oct 2014 #65

Yep, I got the opposite ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #50

Not exactly as to your interpretation of his Reply 30. merrily Oct 2014 #56

Yeah, that's why BB responded "Correct." ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #59

As I said in my prior post, not quite. merrily Oct 2014 #63

Please see Reply 56. merrily Oct 2014 #64

Why are you continuing with this? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #71

LOL! Why are you? And what is your definiton of "Done?" merrily Oct 2014 #72

No ... You hang up! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #75

That's very respectful of you Baitball Blogger. merrily Oct 2014 #22

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #20

Wondering: what difference do you see between your Reply 20 and what I told the OP merrily Oct 2014 #21

Taking it in reverse order ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #26

Your first two answers support my points and your last is dismissive. merrily Oct 2014 #28

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #29

You might want to look at the case law on the 14th SteveG Oct 2014 #69

That's a great start! Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #74

DU tends to believe that the 14th amendment prohibits sex discrimination. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #31

We should have more discussions about Constitutional Issues on DU. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #35

I would not recommend the kind of arguments I am having wtih 1SBM. merrily Oct 2014 #44

I've often found 2naSalit Oct 2014 #48