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In reply to the discussion: The perfect response to people who say all Muslims are violent, in one tweet [View all]Triana
(22,666 posts)95. Juan Cole has written a very detailed answer with a nice chart, and he mentions Maher...
Terrorism and the other Religions
Contrary to what is alleged by bigots like Bill Maher, Muslims are not more violent than people of other religions. Murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States.
As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression. This massive carnage did not occur because European Christians are worse than or different from other human beings, but because they were the first to industrialize war and pursue a national model. Sometimes it is argued that they did not act in the name of religion but of nationalism. But, really, how naive. Religion and nationalism are closely intertwined. The British monarch is the head of the Church of England, and that still meant something in the first half of the twentieth century, at least. The Swedish church is a national church. Spain? Was it really unconnected to Catholicism? Did the Church and Francisco Francos feelings toward it play no role in the Civil War? And whats sauce for the goose: much Muslim violence is driven by forms of modern nationalism, too.
I dont figure that Muslims killed more than a 2 million people or so in political violence in the entire twentieth century, and that mainly in the Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988 and the Soviet and post-Soviet wars in Afghanistan, for which Europeans bear some blame.
Compare that to the Christian European tally of, oh, lets say 100 million (16 million in WW I, 60 million in WW II though some of those were attributable to Buddhists in Asia and millions more in colonial wars.)

Contrary to what is alleged by bigots like Bill Maher, Muslims are not more violent than people of other religions. Murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States.
As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression. This massive carnage did not occur because European Christians are worse than or different from other human beings, but because they were the first to industrialize war and pursue a national model. Sometimes it is argued that they did not act in the name of religion but of nationalism. But, really, how naive. Religion and nationalism are closely intertwined. The British monarch is the head of the Church of England, and that still meant something in the first half of the twentieth century, at least. The Swedish church is a national church. Spain? Was it really unconnected to Catholicism? Did the Church and Francisco Francos feelings toward it play no role in the Civil War? And whats sauce for the goose: much Muslim violence is driven by forms of modern nationalism, too.
I dont figure that Muslims killed more than a 2 million people or so in political violence in the entire twentieth century, and that mainly in the Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988 and the Soviet and post-Soviet wars in Afghanistan, for which Europeans bear some blame.
Compare that to the Christian European tally of, oh, lets say 100 million (16 million in WW I, 60 million in WW II though some of those were attributable to Buddhists in Asia and millions more in colonial wars.)

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http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/terrorism-other-religions.html
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The perfect response to people who say all Muslims are violent, in one tweet [View all]
Turborama
Oct 2014
OP
The "All Muslims are the same" slogan needs to return to the far-right from whence it emerged.
pampango
Oct 2014
#2
remind me which muslims in this country are trying to eliminate women's rights, for example?
niyad
Oct 2014
#46
it was also seen in the runup to war: "we're civilizing these poor brutes!" instead of "Jayzus toold
MisterP
Oct 2014
#51
I've met idiots who are pissed that Constantinople is now called Istanbul...
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#21
Smithsonian Channel had a three-part series on the history of Islam and its dealings with the west,
Blue_In_AK
Oct 2014
#70
I have been saying this for ages--our own religious nutbars worry me far more--I have to deal with
niyad
Oct 2014
#47
Muhammed Ali got out of Vienam because it's against his religion to kill.
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#18
same mentality yes, but how do you explain the violence in the arab/islamic world?
samsingh
Oct 2014
#106
Remember Ireland? Two branches of Christianity locked in a long standing conflict....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#107
Bill is an intellectual comedian, brilliant in most areas, with this big blind spot about Islam....
Fred Sanders
Oct 2014
#20
I am open to persuasion on the intellectual claim I made, for sure having never met the man.
Fred Sanders
Oct 2014
#41
People are NOT their religion. Leaders, OTOH, use religion to serve their purposes. nt
valerief
Oct 2014
#27
I've noticed quite a few generalizations like that on DU. As a newish member, it always surprises me
C Moon
Oct 2014
#28
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,............and by the rulers as useful"-
ErikJ
Oct 2014
#30
The failure of punditry is to spend time on extremists and not the people fighting them.
freshwest
Oct 2014
#31
I'd been planning on doing one on media, perhaps I'll add this in. Thanks for the comment.
freshwest
Oct 2014
#45
Worth noting that Maher absolutely did not say that all Muslims are violent.
Donald Ian Rankin
Oct 2014
#33
Actually, you 2 ignoring the wider point of the post and calling it a lie looks like classic...
Turborama
Oct 2014
#38
The article does not say Bill Maher said all Muslims are violent, the title suggests sharing a tweet
Turborama
Oct 2014
#54
The ARTICLE is titled "The perfect response to people who say all Muslims are violent.."
LostOne4Ever
Oct 2014
#58
Actually, they do exist. Listen again to what he says in the contretemps with Afflick
Turborama
Oct 2014
#97
Maher: "Because they’re violent. Because they threaten us. And they are threatening."
Turborama
Oct 2014
#66
And he was talking about the people who were making DEATH THREATS at SOUTH PARK for mocking Mohammad
LostOne4Ever
Oct 2014
#78
Your blatant misrepresentation of Maher's words doesn't help Islam's victims.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2014
#73
And now we have classic projection. You have been the one doing the nasty personal attacks...
Turborama
Oct 2014
#76