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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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38. The physical changes in the brain continue til 21 or 22.

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:49 AM

Oct 2014

So the choice of '18' is still somewhat arbitrary. Yes, it's legally rape, thanks to that arbitrary choice. But I don't think there's really that much difference between a 17 year old male or a 19 year old male in that same situation, other than that specific arbitrary legal choice.

So yes, it's legally rape, but at the same time, a lot of men who would have engaged in the same behaviour at the time if they'd been in that kid's situation are going to shrug a bit.

I haven't heard any of the details, so I don't know who 'seduced or coerced' whom. If the boy 'groomed' the teachers or the reverse. We've seen plenty of underage murderers and rapists, so I don't instantly assume that the two women were the 'predators' in this case. I do assume that they have very poor judgment.

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TWO Adult Female Teachers Prey On A 16 Year Old Boy=Rape [View all] KittyWampus Oct 2014 OP

i perused the thread. men that generally dismiss rape culture ect... where sure to chime up, there seabeyond Oct 2014 #1

I am wondering if there is overlap. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #7

ohhhh. lol. god yes. lol. ah ha. but, that peeled onion is not to be discussed. lol. seabeyond Oct 2014 #19

nods DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #42

more fuggin' lmao, lol. what a lovely morning in clarity. lol. and too true. thanks don. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #45

This was wrong ... but QuestionAlways Oct 2014 #75

If you are a father, and a male maybe you can you address this: LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #87

This may be the best post I've seen on this subject on DU. Ever. Kudos. Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #96

underage...consensual means nothing. spanone Oct 2014 #115

If No Means No . . . ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #76

I am looking forward to the trial yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #2

It's unlikely to go to trial. They will probably plead out. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #6

Why? H2O Man Oct 2014 #9

That's cool yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #12

Why should a sexual assault Jenoch Oct 2014 #56

Oh many are as part of the plea deal. yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #67

State jobs are different , at least in my state, Ed Suspicious Oct 2014 #71

If the two teqchers were male and the victim Jenoch Oct 2014 #72

I once had to listen to a 16 year old girl give testimony about being raped. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #35

Oh man, you really got me scared to death. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #37

What are you talking about? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #39

110% JaneyVee Oct 2014 #3

Sorry - I must have missed the thread...do you have a link? cyberswede Oct 2014 #4

It got hidden pscot Oct 2014 #10

Recent thread (still open): muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #17

Depends on the age of consent. malthaussen Oct 2014 #5

No- it really doesn't. Because teenagers can't "consent" to have sex with their teachers KittyWampus Oct 2014 #8

Then it's one of those power-relation questions, malthaussen Oct 2014 #11

I edited my statement right before your reply > adult v. teenager is a power-relation situation. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #13

Again, only if the age of consent is not 16 (or lower) malthaussen Oct 2014 #22

mentally, intellectually, there is a difference between 12, 13, 14 and a 17 yr old. seabeyond Oct 2014 #26

The physical changes in the brain continue til 21 or 22. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #38

there absolutely a difference between 17 and 19 in experience. just a mere two years. one with seabeyond Oct 2014 #46

But of course, dear Sea. malthaussen Oct 2014 #40

i am going ot stop reading right here. nope. no. and 40 yr old men use this as a defense. no. seabeyond Oct 2014 #48

Ah, but I didn't say "experience," Sea. malthaussen Oct 2014 #53

I think one of your lines nails the problem - Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #68

If the issue is maturity and brain development... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #86

I must have missed another 300 post thread, but... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #14

In 30 US states, and many other countries, it wouldn't be; age of consent there is 16 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #15

In many states corporal punishment in school is legal. It's still child abuse. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #18

Do you think it's rape when two 16 year old teenagers sleep with each other? Xithras Oct 2014 #62

Hmmm... So an 18 year having sex with a 17 year old... Adrahil Oct 2014 #116

It is perfectly legal in one-third of the United States. ieoeja Oct 2014 #16

Corporal punishment is also legal in some states- it's still child abuse. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #21

The individual states differ by degrees, but they all... Bad Thoughts Oct 2014 #24

IANAL but it strikes me as weird that something as fundamental KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #25

What is worse marym625 Oct 2014 #52

Wow, I had not even considered that anomaly until just now. Just another KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #55

A guy from Hong Kong and I were arrested for underage possession of alcohol in college. ieoeja Oct 2014 #73

I don't know I would call it weird. marym625 Oct 2014 #77

That's a damned good point and I apologize if I seemed blase about it. For me, there KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #78

yes, you can dare. More than dare. Do it! marym625 Oct 2014 #79

Yep. Which is why we have the infamous Lake Tahoe scenario. Xithras Oct 2014 #59

The maturity level marym625 Oct 2014 #80

And that's exactly why so many states have made it illegal. Xithras Oct 2014 #85

I am not saying I don't agree with the law marym625 Oct 2014 #89

Too many people believe in fantasies and bad 1960s porn intaglio Oct 2014 #20

Good point. Assuming what is alleged here is true, it so profoundly violates professional KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #28

i know, with who my 19 yr old son is, all the work in making good adult decisions, seabeyond Oct 2014 #32

This may be "rape" according to statute pscot Oct 2014 #23

Would you have the Jenoch Oct 2014 #29

Probably not pscot Oct 2014 #43

Males can be just as traumatized by rape as females. Lancero Oct 2014 #64

I waited until 2 years ago to tell anyone. OnlinePoker Oct 2014 #82

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #36

Another post directly implying a difference between rape and 'legitimate' rape. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #47

Either we believe in equality or we do not. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #88

Kick for the truth. Kids do stupid things, adults should know better. riqster Oct 2014 #27

Sorry, it is not that black and white hueymahl Oct 2014 #31

and you can slip in. i am a woman. i was 16 once. it was a long time ago, but i sure as hell seabeyond Oct 2014 #34

I acknowledge that it is against the law hueymahl Oct 2014 #41

i thinking you are assuming i wrote the OP. i am not the person that wrote the OP. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #49

so you are saying having sex with minors or kids in your charge is not rape? what ARE you saying? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #103

I'm saying its Malum Prohibitum, not Malum Per Se hueymahl Oct 2014 #119

So no lower limit on the age for you? Wow, you are scary! nt Logical Oct 2014 #99

My daughter was having sex at 16 and it was 100% consensual. Schema Thing Oct 2014 #33

Are you missing the teacher part? Or just don't give a shit? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #100

The US needs to have a firm standard on this. dilby Oct 2014 #44

It's not as simple as "rape is rape" thesquanderer Oct 2014 #50

I think a lot of people have reacted to the real and terrible history of how many rape victims... Silent3 Oct 2014 #121

You should read this book: cali Oct 2014 #51

Horseshit to say that just because it's legal ... it's still rape. It is not legally rape cali Oct 2014 #54

They caught these teachers because the boy was bragging about getting raped. JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #57

I hope some day you get a permanent end to your way of thinking. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #101

...and I hope that one day you gain the ability... JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #111

Yes it is.nt ismnotwasm Oct 2014 #58

OK, it was rape and the two teachers are sexual predators tularetom Oct 2014 #60

Hmm davidthegnome Oct 2014 #61

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #63

Legally speaking it appears to be sexal misconduct Fearless Oct 2014 #65

That poor boy d_b Oct 2014 #66

Wouldn't it be nice if today's DU could sustain MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #69

That would be nice, but it doesn't appear to be possible. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #70

I didn't think the OP was looking for a "discussion" of the subject. JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #81

I'm not sure of the purpose of this second thread Doctor_J Oct 2014 #106

It's illegal in my state, just not called rape. moriah Oct 2014 #74

Agree! These comments of 'lucky boy' LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #83

Why label someone a victim who doesn't identify as such? IVoteDFL Oct 2014 #84

Because...RAPE IS RAPE. alp227 Oct 2014 #92

Absolutism and tautologies. Does not a cogent argument make. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #97

But what they didn't pointedly IS NOT rape. Schema Thing Oct 2014 #108

Careful. I got a post hidden on a related thread for saying basically the same thing. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #113

He was raped, because he could NOT give informed, honest consent to sex with his teachers, alp227 Oct 2014 #114

I was about that age when I had sex with an older authority figure. kwassa Oct 2014 #120

These teachers are sex offenders marions ghost Oct 2014 #90

The double standard is an interesting phenomenon. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #91

A classmate of my son's - as in the same class - was sexually molested by his female teacher when seaglass Oct 2014 #94

The victim is a pariah? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #110

I am telling you what the reality was because I know what happened. No one thought seaglass Oct 2014 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #93

Is is not rape. former9thward Oct 2014 #95

Those two teachers Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #98

There are a couple of teachers I would have like to have had when I was 16. ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #102

Here's another interesting insight on the double standard. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #109

'forcible rape' is that really used seriously now? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #112

I was only trying to make a distinction between ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #122

It's the wrong R word IronLionZion Oct 2014 #104

From a legal standpoint, undoubtedly so...in America. Threedifferentones Oct 2014 #105

Yes. LWolf Oct 2014 #107

Anytime that a person engages in sex without the consent of the other party it is rape. LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #118