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Xithras

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85. And that's exactly why so many states have made it illegal.

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:41 PM

Oct 2014

I happen to agree with age of consent laws, as arbitrary and fickle as they may be. One 15 year old may be more than capable of consenting to sex. Another 15 year old may still be years away from having the mental maturity to engage in sexual activity. It's precisely that kind of unpredictability that drove the adoption of these laws. Even if 80% of 16 year olds are just fine having sex with anyone they want, the world is full of sickos who will pursue and coerce the other 20% who aren't into doing things they don't want to do. In order to protect that 20%, many states (including my own) simply say "No sex until you're 18".

Is it fair to the 80%? Probably not, but the exact same arguments could probably be made for joining the military, or drinking alcohol, or smoking, or getting credit cards. Even if most are fine with it, we have to draw a line somewhere in order to protect the ones who aren't.

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TWO Adult Female Teachers Prey On A 16 Year Old Boy=Rape [View all] KittyWampus Oct 2014 OP

i perused the thread. men that generally dismiss rape culture ect... where sure to chime up, there seabeyond Oct 2014 #1

I am wondering if there is overlap. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #7

ohhhh. lol. god yes. lol. ah ha. but, that peeled onion is not to be discussed. lol. seabeyond Oct 2014 #19

nods DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #42

more fuggin' lmao, lol. what a lovely morning in clarity. lol. and too true. thanks don. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #45

This was wrong ... but QuestionAlways Oct 2014 #75

If you are a father, and a male maybe you can you address this: LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #87

This may be the best post I've seen on this subject on DU. Ever. Kudos. Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #96

underage...consensual means nothing. spanone Oct 2014 #115

If No Means No . . . ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #76

I am looking forward to the trial yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #2

It's unlikely to go to trial. They will probably plead out. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #6

Why? H2O Man Oct 2014 #9

That's cool yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #12

Why should a sexual assault Jenoch Oct 2014 #56

Oh many are as part of the plea deal. yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #67

State jobs are different , at least in my state, Ed Suspicious Oct 2014 #71

If the two teqchers were male and the victim Jenoch Oct 2014 #72

I once had to listen to a 16 year old girl give testimony about being raped. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #35

Oh man, you really got me scared to death. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #37

What are you talking about? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #39

110% JaneyVee Oct 2014 #3

Sorry - I must have missed the thread...do you have a link? cyberswede Oct 2014 #4

It got hidden pscot Oct 2014 #10

Recent thread (still open): muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #17

Depends on the age of consent. malthaussen Oct 2014 #5

No- it really doesn't. Because teenagers can't "consent" to have sex with their teachers KittyWampus Oct 2014 #8

Then it's one of those power-relation questions, malthaussen Oct 2014 #11

I edited my statement right before your reply > adult v. teenager is a power-relation situation. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #13

Again, only if the age of consent is not 16 (or lower) malthaussen Oct 2014 #22

mentally, intellectually, there is a difference between 12, 13, 14 and a 17 yr old. seabeyond Oct 2014 #26

The physical changes in the brain continue til 21 or 22. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #38

there absolutely a difference between 17 and 19 in experience. just a mere two years. one with seabeyond Oct 2014 #46

But of course, dear Sea. malthaussen Oct 2014 #40

i am going ot stop reading right here. nope. no. and 40 yr old men use this as a defense. no. seabeyond Oct 2014 #48

Ah, but I didn't say "experience," Sea. malthaussen Oct 2014 #53

I think one of your lines nails the problem - Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #68

If the issue is maturity and brain development... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #86

I must have missed another 300 post thread, but... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #14

In 30 US states, and many other countries, it wouldn't be; age of consent there is 16 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #15

In many states corporal punishment in school is legal. It's still child abuse. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #18

Do you think it's rape when two 16 year old teenagers sleep with each other? Xithras Oct 2014 #62

Hmmm... So an 18 year having sex with a 17 year old... Adrahil Oct 2014 #116

It is perfectly legal in one-third of the United States. ieoeja Oct 2014 #16

Corporal punishment is also legal in some states- it's still child abuse. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #21

The individual states differ by degrees, but they all... Bad Thoughts Oct 2014 #24

IANAL but it strikes me as weird that something as fundamental KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #25

What is worse marym625 Oct 2014 #52

Wow, I had not even considered that anomaly until just now. Just another KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #55

A guy from Hong Kong and I were arrested for underage possession of alcohol in college. ieoeja Oct 2014 #73

I don't know I would call it weird. marym625 Oct 2014 #77

That's a damned good point and I apologize if I seemed blase about it. For me, there KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #78

yes, you can dare. More than dare. Do it! marym625 Oct 2014 #79

Yep. Which is why we have the infamous Lake Tahoe scenario. Xithras Oct 2014 #59

The maturity level marym625 Oct 2014 #80

And that's exactly why so many states have made it illegal. Xithras Oct 2014 #85

I am not saying I don't agree with the law marym625 Oct 2014 #89

Too many people believe in fantasies and bad 1960s porn intaglio Oct 2014 #20

Good point. Assuming what is alleged here is true, it so profoundly violates professional KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #28

i know, with who my 19 yr old son is, all the work in making good adult decisions, seabeyond Oct 2014 #32

This may be "rape" according to statute pscot Oct 2014 #23

Would you have the Jenoch Oct 2014 #29

Probably not pscot Oct 2014 #43

Males can be just as traumatized by rape as females. Lancero Oct 2014 #64

I waited until 2 years ago to tell anyone. OnlinePoker Oct 2014 #82

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #36

Another post directly implying a difference between rape and 'legitimate' rape. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #47

Either we believe in equality or we do not. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #88

Kick for the truth. Kids do stupid things, adults should know better. riqster Oct 2014 #27

Sorry, it is not that black and white hueymahl Oct 2014 #31

and you can slip in. i am a woman. i was 16 once. it was a long time ago, but i sure as hell seabeyond Oct 2014 #34

I acknowledge that it is against the law hueymahl Oct 2014 #41

i thinking you are assuming i wrote the OP. i am not the person that wrote the OP. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #49

so you are saying having sex with minors or kids in your charge is not rape? what ARE you saying? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #103

I'm saying its Malum Prohibitum, not Malum Per Se hueymahl Oct 2014 #119

So no lower limit on the age for you? Wow, you are scary! nt Logical Oct 2014 #99

My daughter was having sex at 16 and it was 100% consensual. Schema Thing Oct 2014 #33

Are you missing the teacher part? Or just don't give a shit? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #100

The US needs to have a firm standard on this. dilby Oct 2014 #44

It's not as simple as "rape is rape" thesquanderer Oct 2014 #50

I think a lot of people have reacted to the real and terrible history of how many rape victims... Silent3 Oct 2014 #121

You should read this book: cali Oct 2014 #51

Horseshit to say that just because it's legal ... it's still rape. It is not legally rape cali Oct 2014 #54

They caught these teachers because the boy was bragging about getting raped. JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #57

I hope some day you get a permanent end to your way of thinking. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #101

...and I hope that one day you gain the ability... JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #111

Yes it is.nt ismnotwasm Oct 2014 #58

OK, it was rape and the two teachers are sexual predators tularetom Oct 2014 #60

Hmm davidthegnome Oct 2014 #61

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #63

Legally speaking it appears to be sexal misconduct Fearless Oct 2014 #65

That poor boy d_b Oct 2014 #66

Wouldn't it be nice if today's DU could sustain MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #69

That would be nice, but it doesn't appear to be possible. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #70

I didn't think the OP was looking for a "discussion" of the subject. JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #81

I'm not sure of the purpose of this second thread Doctor_J Oct 2014 #106

It's illegal in my state, just not called rape. moriah Oct 2014 #74

Agree! These comments of 'lucky boy' LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #83

Why label someone a victim who doesn't identify as such? IVoteDFL Oct 2014 #84

Because...RAPE IS RAPE. alp227 Oct 2014 #92

Absolutism and tautologies. Does not a cogent argument make. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #97

But what they didn't pointedly IS NOT rape. Schema Thing Oct 2014 #108

Careful. I got a post hidden on a related thread for saying basically the same thing. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #113

He was raped, because he could NOT give informed, honest consent to sex with his teachers, alp227 Oct 2014 #114

I was about that age when I had sex with an older authority figure. kwassa Oct 2014 #120

These teachers are sex offenders marions ghost Oct 2014 #90

The double standard is an interesting phenomenon. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #91

A classmate of my son's - as in the same class - was sexually molested by his female teacher when seaglass Oct 2014 #94

The victim is a pariah? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #110

I am telling you what the reality was because I know what happened. No one thought seaglass Oct 2014 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #93

Is is not rape. former9thward Oct 2014 #95

Those two teachers Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #98

There are a couple of teachers I would have like to have had when I was 16. ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #102

Here's another interesting insight on the double standard. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #109

'forcible rape' is that really used seriously now? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #112

I was only trying to make a distinction between ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #122

It's the wrong R word IronLionZion Oct 2014 #104

From a legal standpoint, undoubtedly so...in America. Threedifferentones Oct 2014 #105

Yes. LWolf Oct 2014 #107

Anytime that a person engages in sex without the consent of the other party it is rape. LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #118