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mnhtnbb

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84. Superior attitude? What a bunch of malarkey.

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:50 AM

Oct 2014

Offering up the consideration of the fact that anyone who buys a ticket on-line is offered travel
insurance to jumping to the conclusion that I always buy travel insurance because I'm well off
is way off the mark.

I have bought travel insurance once. Just once. My husband and I detest the insurance industry.
We have been supporters of single payer--national health plan (no insurance industry) for YEARS.
We don't even have life insurance. There was a time in our lives when we went bare--without health
insurance.

The one time I bought travel insurance was for a week scheduled at the beach during hurricane season
and the prediction by those in the know was we were in for a more than normal season of hurricanes.
We ended up not needing it.

I have never bought travel insurance for any other trip--and we've done a lot of traveling--but it doesn't
mean that it isn't available or might not be a good idea for someone to consider. It all depends upon a person's
circumstances.

All I'm saying is don't be so quick to condemn hospital management for making decisions based on finances
when there is a possibility that finances were something the nurse also considered when she bought her ticket.

We all make decisions based on finances. Every damn one of us.

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I'm a nurse and I've possibly been exposed to Ebola and I think I maybe should be quarantined [View all] Fumesucker Oct 2014 OP

This is a brilliant post. KMOD Oct 2014 #1

I don't blame the nurse for flying. If she can be blamed for anything it is for putting trust in the Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #2

Who ~do~ we listen to then? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #3

I thoroughly enjoyed Kevin Spacey's performance as him in "Recount" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #5

How is he going to answer any questions except, I'll get back to you on that"? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #6

I strongly suspect you're right, but I am willing to wait and see. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #7

What the interesting subtext of this little situation with the nurses is... Fumesucker Oct 2014 #9

I suspect people want to feel like it is contained geographically, that's part of it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #10

There was *zero* complaint about them working, none, nada, zip, zilch Fumesucker Oct 2014 #12

Texas Presbyterian acted completely irresponsibly. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #44

Never heard anything from the CDC or Texas health authorities either Fumesucker Oct 2014 #45

The irresponsibility and incompetence demonstrated by literally everybody MoonRiver Oct 2014 #47

the good news is that the locals have figured it out for themselves magical thyme Oct 2014 #55

I can just imagine the staff trying to get new positions.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #59

From where I sit, unless there's a sea change, the people who actually did fuck up, i.e., KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #117

The only "consolation" I suppose you could say - would be - calimary Oct 2014 #148

I think Texas Presbyterian is a non-profit hospital, part of a larger holding group that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #153

And that's what has to change. calimary Oct 2014 #171

No one - Marx and Lenin included - ever said the transition to socialism KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #180

Well, it's always better to try to remain optimistic. calimary Oct 2014 #191

I would assume that the hospital might face some law suits that could cost them a bit of money and jwirr Oct 2014 #160

That's why it's vital for Texas to elect Abbott as Governor, so that those who were harmed KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #168

Public awareness. Yes,they seemed to care more about it as public reactions than public health issue suffragette Oct 2014 #126

And, ironically, the nurses are the only ones whom have contracted Ebola Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2014 #107

the nurses were exposed right up to the bitter end, when the virus takes completely magical thyme Oct 2014 #161

Link to an article Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #138

Her superiors were unaware that she and all the others were still working? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #145

I have not seen confirmation one way or the other Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #166

You would think the people who dealt directly with Mr Duncan are hot properties for interviews Fumesucker Oct 2014 #169

I notice you have still not provided a link supporting your assertion that they were still working. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #173

You're right, I don't have any absolute proof, spent a while looking and just decided to fly with it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #179

I'm not excusing anyone - Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #210

its here in this thread riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #208

Thanks. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #211

Agreed. I was just answering your question to Fumesucker riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #212

That, I don't buy. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #214

^=== This. Heaven help me, I am dealing with it now. IdaBriggs Oct 2014 #46

"The Great and Powerful Oz has got matters well in hand - I hope" Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #57

Well, the best manager I ever worked for wasn't a technical expert, but he WAS MH1 Oct 2014 #87

Exactly! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #167

'I'm not a scientist' should work ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #205

Yes yes yes! Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #76

And an ethical girl! MoonRiver Oct 2014 #86

from what I've read, they are both WOMEN, not girls. kath Oct 2014 #96

Definitions are for dumbcat Oct 2014 #97

Infantilizing language is acceptable for women. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #99

God, yes laundry_queen Oct 2014 #116

You'll have to have a word with my 80-something mother. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #140

First off, it's different for equals to use juvenile terms among themselves to describe themselves. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #182

Yes, they are both women. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #100

The cruise ship (floating petri dish) is almost worse than the flight imo... pipoman Oct 2014 #4

I have a hard time thinking of a legal job more physically intimate than a nurse Fumesucker Oct 2014 #8

The answer to your question is that capitalism doesn't really care about the lives of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #119

i may have been too young to get Quincy w/ jack klugman, but even i would have been pansypoo53219 Oct 2014 #11

Why when you're still working? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #13

I'm so glad this virus isn't *easily* transmissible renate Oct 2014 #14

In that case anyone not naturally immune would have been dead for a few decades now Fumesucker Oct 2014 #17

You are right about the tickets ArcticFox Oct 2014 #111

Why are you so dedicated to defending this woman's selfish/idiotic actions? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #15

Then she shouldn't have been caring for patients Fumesucker Oct 2014 #16

What apologetics? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #18

No the flying, just like treating patients was approved Fumesucker Oct 2014 #19

I had a thought that it's as basic as safe cooking woodsprite Oct 2014 #88

for her and her union? ArcticFox Oct 2014 #118

The "authorities" are not responsible for EVERYTHING treestar Oct 2014 #95

She obeyed authority, did what they said she should do and then what they said she could do Fumesucker Oct 2014 #121

No one has to follow authority slavishly treestar Oct 2014 #196

She wasn't caring for patients while sick elias7 Oct 2014 #139

Her first flight she was feeling well Fumesucker Oct 2014 #142

The personal attacks on this woman are what should stop. Live and Learn Oct 2014 #20

She was following CDC guidelines. She called to check. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #67

She should be expected to know more than her employer or the CDC? Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #72

I agree Evergreen Emerald Oct 2014 #130

The CDC told her she could fly. What higher authority do you want, God? moriah Oct 2014 #202

This is such garbage. She made a decision NOT to purchase travel insurance for those tickets mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #21

Are you in the travel insurance industry by chance? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #22

No. In fact, I'm a retired hospital administrator married to an MD who is scared mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #31

To be fair none of us know what the future will bring Fumesucker Oct 2014 #33

My sympathies are with her, too. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #49

Phrases that should not be used while making conclusions: 'my hunch is that' and 'I imagine she' Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #51

And your point is? mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #54

yes, please stop the speculation ArcticFox Oct 2014 #131

Simpler for the hospital just to fire those who won't do it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #53

The employees were told not to talk to the media. That is not unusual. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #58

Can you explain to me then why the nurses were still working up until Vinson's flight drew attention Fumesucker Oct 2014 #60

I am not--and if you look at my posts for the last few days have never--defended the hospital. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #90

I didn't intend to accuse you of anything in that post Fumesucker Oct 2014 #112

All I can do is speculate about the challenges faced by nursing admins in staffing mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #146

Thank you.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #155

oh, that's important ArcticFox Oct 2014 #133

Allow me to restate your position (with which I agree 1000%) as simply as possible: KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #123

This is not my conversation, please excuse the insert, but vanlassie Oct 2014 #74

Superior attitude? What a bunch of malarkey. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #84

Yes, we all make decisions based on finances. vanlassie Oct 2014 #89

I have never criticized her decision not to purchase travel insurance. I simply offered the mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #91

"She was going to make the trip because it was vanlassie Oct 2014 #94

+Infinity. If there's one thing I despise even more than Republicans, it's self-satisfied KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #124

The bigger offense is implying she was making the decision based on money loss!!! lunasun Oct 2014 #172

+10000 vanlassie Oct 2014 #177

lol - this is a new low. nt TBF Oct 2014 #68

Why should she have needed 'travel insurance' if she had called the airlines to tell them sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #175

This is what happened to me... ReRe Oct 2014 #23

I don't disagree with you, the nurse should have been quarantined Fumesucker Oct 2014 #25

I agree... ReRe Oct 2014 #41

I think she made a foolish and very dangerous choice. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #24

Was her working also a "foolish and dangerous choice"? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #26

I'm just talking about how I would have handled the situation. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #29

Your bringing up "would she have been fired" is a complete straw man. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #36

The nurses had to go through the national union to speak up about what was going on there Fumesucker Oct 2014 #42

A 'complete straw man'? Had she failed to report for a KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #127

Would not have happened..here's why SoCalDem Oct 2014 #134

Well, as it happens, you're the one who is wrong. The nurses at this particular KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #137

Look, the nurse on the cruise ship acted like a normal human being. Shrike47 Oct 2014 #27

I think most of these "holier than thou" types would have done just the same thing Fumesucker Oct 2014 #28

she quit being a "normal human being" when she was told to isolate & monitor SoCalDem Oct 2014 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Oct 2014 #207

please just do what you think fits lalabetsy Oct 2014 #30

I'm wondering why we are taking Amber Vinson's word for that alleged call. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #32

I like how everyone ignores the fact the Ebola exposed nurses had been working Fumesucker Oct 2014 #34

I don't understand your sentence: "had been working." What? I mean, isn't that the point? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #35

Up until the travel brouhaha the nurses had continued with their dail lives, including work.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #39

Yes but no one reported feeling sick elias7 Oct 2014 #144

Yes, they may or may not have been exposed Fumesucker Oct 2014 #152

I don't care who they worked with except under 2 conditions. uppityperson Oct 2014 #176

The CDC has confirmed that she checked, yes. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #81

I think I read that the CDC (or TX Dept. of Health) confirmed that she had called but KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #125

This was confirmed by CDC. LisaL Oct 2014 #143

The CDC confirmed that she called them. Chemisse Oct 2014 #163

I'm a former nurse mgardener54 Oct 2014 #37

Would you also have not cared for patients during this period? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #40

About 15 years ago one of my patients came down with mumps 2 days after I saw her newfie11 Oct 2014 #38

Right, but mumps is a highly contagious airborne disease so the guidelines are different. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #77

Chill out honey newfie11 Oct 2014 #197

you go above and contact the CDC. This is analogous to an employer telling an employee to do still_one Oct 2014 #43

No one has said that anyone objected to the travel plans Fumesucker Oct 2014 #48

I can't believe that anyone who has to work for a living is allowing her to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #128

She did that. CDC said she had no exposure. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #66

As I posted before... Lars39 Oct 2014 #52

Was she also not supposed to err on the side of caution by refusing to go to work? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #56

What are sick leave policies for health care workers? Downwinder Oct 2014 #65

What is this "sick leave" of which you speak? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #69

Sick leave should be available for any worker that comes Downwinder Oct 2014 #73

Yes it should.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #79

I thought we learned something from the 1918 flu pandemic. Downwinder Oct 2014 #82

We started dismantling our public health infrastructure in the 70s. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #204

I don't know what the sick leave policies are at her hospital... DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #78

American capitalism is fucked up. Health care delivery is part of that capitalism. Otherwise, spot KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #129

No, she should not have been assigned other patients, ie gone into work. Lars39 Oct 2014 #85

And besides, it's so much more fun to beat up on a helpless individual than a faceless bureaucracy Fumesucker Oct 2014 #115

Sorry, that's not going to fly with me....Both the system and she was at fault. Lars39 Oct 2014 #181

Yes, we should all ignore expert instructions for Common Sense Fumesucker Oct 2014 #183

So what you are saying is that she "was just following orders". Lars39 Oct 2014 #184

Understanding how it happened and being empathetic HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #83

Ann, you continue to nail this situation! MoonRiver Oct 2014 #98

Who is doing that? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #102

The "system" failed her and all of us. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #105

No other person even questioned them continuing to work Fumesucker Oct 2014 #106

Maybe, unless she has infected somebody. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #114

To the hospital (and to American captialism writ large), Nurse Vinson was a disposable KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #132

It isn't clear to me if it's the same people screaming, but yes, there are people HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #108

In retrospect I'm pretty sure Turbineguy Oct 2014 #62

You've been told you're gtg...head on out. ileus Oct 2014 #63

Thank you for the rationality and the decency Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #64

I've been through several eye-opening events on DU Fumesucker Oct 2014 #71

Yes, but HCW also acquire a strong determination to avert unnecessary disease and death Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #80

Nurse Vinson did us a huge, huge favor and is getting figuratively burned at the stake for it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #109

"Blame the individual" is always the first TBF Oct 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #75

Why public transportation only? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #103

It wasn't right for her to be caring for immune compromised patients. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #110

Her superiors bear no responsibility for forcing her to work? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #113

I am definitely NOT exonerating them. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #120

She could have stayed home and been the person Downwinder Oct 2014 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #147

You have completely missed the point of the OP. If Nurse Vinson was such a threat by KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #136

Good post, but it's stupidity all around. MH1 Oct 2014 #92

In Ohio, where pay is low and cost of living is low, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #93

She had recently moved to another state Fumesucker Oct 2014 #104

Anyone who can take a vacation can afford to take a few weeks off? Really. TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #135

It's like the "reverse socialism' we saw during the Financial Crisis of 2008-09 when KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #141

I expect my fellow licensed professionals Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #150

No, what you expect is for wage earners to eat it to cover screw ups by administrations TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #162

If, by 'wage earners' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #174

What you expect is for working people to give up the fruits of their labor and/or earned benefits TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #190

That's the insidious nature of ebola... TeeYiYi Oct 2014 #101

lol :) n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #122

absolutely, so sick of the blame the victim crap i see on other sites pitohui Oct 2014 #151

You could say, "It's a feature, not a bug (npi)" - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #154

Other sites? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #158

This may be the best thread I've read on DU since joining during KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #156

During the Polio Epidemic in the 50s only the families that actually had the disease were actually jwirr Oct 2014 #157

I had polio ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #206

Did you by any chance live in a city? I was in a rural area. That may have been the difference. As jwirr Oct 2014 #213

The settings are not equal. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #159

Would you be comfortable with being nursed by one of the Ebola exposed staff? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #164

Nope Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #199

Well said! Lars39 Oct 2014 #185

If the nurse doesn't have symptoms, she is not contagious. Period. Chemisse Oct 2014 #165

Exactly. If she was traveling and got Sx, stop. If she was working, got sx, stop. If she was at the uppityperson Oct 2014 #178

And if she was on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean? LisaL Oct 2014 #187

Did you read my post or just the title? uppityperson Oct 2014 #189

Indeed. And a cruise ship would not be a good place to be if symptoms did start. Chemisse Oct 2014 #194

So if she is sitting on the plane at that time, how do you propose she "stopped." LisaL Oct 2014 #188

I could be wrong, but I don't think the symptoms come on all of a sudden in a particular moment. Chemisse Oct 2014 #195

Well, if you don't know the exact moment you get the symptoms, then how are you going to stop LisaL Oct 2014 #209

Someone here posted hcw exposed should be fired for not making their own decisions . My reply lunasun Oct 2014 #170

Hhmmm... donco Oct 2014 #192

I call that the definition of selfish. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #193

I'm a nurse and I took the Nightingale Pledge. Avalux Oct 2014 #200

Some evilDUers think lots of workers aren't actually people, IronLionZion Oct 2014 #201

I am a working registered nurse as well working ing a hospital FloridaBlues Oct 2014 #203