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Shemp Howard

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4. the CDC is just like any other government agency

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 10:33 AM

Oct 2014

From local government on up, there is no management accountability. If something doesn't get done today, well, just do it next week. If something doesn't get done at all, hide that fact. Or find some low-level employee to blame.

With rare exceptions, government managers are never held accountable. In other words, they never feel any pain for mistakes made on their watch.

And that makes people lazy and complacent. It's a natural reflex.

The same thing occurs in many corporations. However, this is usually not true in the military. An officer who blunders is usually not fired, but his/her career is over. Done. No more promotions. Just a transfer to a humiliating desk job. No more prestigious commands. And that keeps officers motivated, motivated to stay on top of every situation.

The trick here is how to get that philosophy into civilian government, without causing undo stress on everyone involved.

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It wasn't until Pham was diagnosed with Ebola that health officials decided [View all] boston bean Oct 2014 OP

Really should view the whistleblower's interview with Cooper on CNN TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #1

Duncan lied when he first went to LukeFL Oct 2014 #77

I'm pretty sure he didn't know! TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #90

And other reports said he did know LukeFL Oct 2014 #91

To me I think he was a terrorist LukeFL Oct 2014 #92

That is OTT, don't you think? Jamastiene Oct 2014 #97

Because terrorists do that and don't care LukeFL Oct 2014 #100

That's nuts. pangaia Oct 2014 #102

Yes terrorist and the government won't tell LukeFL Oct 2014 #104

Are you sure you are on the correct website? pangaia Oct 2014 #105

I don't think he was a terrorist, but he was selfish itsrobert Oct 2014 #106

You may be right, but pangaia Oct 2014 #107

Why wouldn't why? Because I am not being LukeFL Oct 2014 #108

Politically correct? pangaia Oct 2014 #110

Makes you wonder what the factors are that make the CDC look so rusty. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #2

the CDC is just like any other government agency Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #4

Wonder what the ratio of GOP federal managers is to Dem federal mangers? I bet.... nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #10

Well, I suppose we could just leave it to the private sector... calimary Oct 2014 #20

Private sector? Nope. Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #21

Military-style accountability to the private sector, too. calimary Oct 2014 #45

I agree 00%. America needs a socialist government that would eliminate all the greed that currently Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #59

How does one eliminate greed? pangaia Oct 2014 #103

Government agencies have been getting Turbineguy Oct 2014 #28

^^^^ THIS. And infiltration is exactly what it is - by enemy agents. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #79

Except Iraq and Afghanistan. There the military geniuses get promoted upward until KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #29

You make a very good point. Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #49

CDC also cannot make the state do anything Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #33

Perhaps from experience of all the other Ebola outbreaks in the USA? LynneSin Oct 2014 #6

Yes, we'll handle it, because there is no other option. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #11

Arrogance? Curmudgeoness Oct 2014 #9

We reached the same conclusions. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #12

Yes. LisaL Oct 2014 #13

By the time you get up to being the top muckety-muck customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #35

That's correct, and I keep posting it over and over again. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #3

Best one-paragraph takedown of those who have so internalized KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #31

I find this very disturbing LeftInTX Oct 2014 #50

As a retired RN, this did not surprise me at all. Loki Oct 2014 #5

The bottom line is paramount for a for-profit hospital like Texas Presbyterian. SunSeeker Oct 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 2014 #44

Texas Presbyterian is classified as a non-profit hospital. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #52

Thanks. I guess the CommonDreams article is wrong. SunSeeker Oct 2014 #54

CommonDreams is wrong. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #55

I think the real problem is fee for service, not whether it's a "non-profit." SunSeeker Oct 2014 #89

Having worked in hospitals for 20 years, I agree. So does my MD husband mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #95

Thank you for your service. SunSeeker Oct 2014 #109

and now they are asked to sign an agreement to not go to any public place, but nobody mentions magical thyme Oct 2014 #7

I don't know if it is possible or not, but one thing that could be very helpful boston bean Oct 2014 #8

TV Stations in the DFW Metro have reported they the staff is still being paid. Texas businesses DhhD Oct 2014 #15

I have heard several times that everybody on staff who is now quarantined is still being paid. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #27

I think that we need to be careful about who we think was supposed to make the rule and who was jwirr Oct 2014 #14

Republicans certainly want Government OUT, of the private for profit business of a hospital DhhD Oct 2014 #18

CDC's guidelines on PPE were insufficient. LisaL Oct 2014 #24

Yes, I know but the hospital did not train their staff with them so it was as good as having no jwirr Oct 2014 #30

if they did train their staff with them it's still as good as having no guidelines TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #99

If you -REALLY BELIEVED- the nurses were protected from contagion HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #17

If only the President had picked a Surgeon General candidate corkhead Oct 2014 #19

Actually, it's technically known as "snark" ... DrBulldog Oct 2014 #26

your lesson on Interweb etiquette is duly noted "/s" corkhead Oct 2014 #48

please calm down, Ebola is not contagious until symptoms are present Heather MC Oct 2014 #22

Mr. Duncan's symptoms certainly were present when he was in Dallas hospital. LisaL Oct 2014 #23

What's that count up to now?? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #32

In US? Two nurses officially diagnosed with Ebola. LisaL Oct 2014 #38

yes he wasn't contagious until symptoms were present Heather MC Oct 2014 #61

They had nurses caring for other patients other than Duncan boston bean Oct 2014 #62

has any one else gotten sick, besides the two healthcare workers? Heather MC Oct 2014 #63

LOL. You can't even admit how dangerous and stupid that was to be boston bean Oct 2014 #64

you're upset about something that DIDN'T happen Heather MC Oct 2014 #65

It did happen. boston bean Oct 2014 #66

No other Patient in the hospital has been diagnpsis with Ebola Heather MC Oct 2014 #67

What I said happened, happened. boston bean Oct 2014 #68

Ok but all the what ifs and OMG speculations are not necessary at this point Heather MC Oct 2014 #70

Because it is apalling such a thing occurred. boston bean Oct 2014 #71

I feel like allowing the nurses to take care of other patients put them at risk LeftInTX Oct 2014 #51

Why worry about Ebola when ... DrBulldog Oct 2014 #25

And how many other patients did Pham infect? FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #34

So far, true customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #39

Maybe they were too calm in Africa. LisaL Oct 2014 #40

Lots of people freaking out because they think people are freaking out. boston bean Oct 2014 #41

I did. 840high Oct 2014 #94

With the exception of MSF, a lot of people- local officials to the WHO- were like "meh" for way too Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #96

The bad news is that Duncan's illness has resulted in a HUGE number of people who have been exposed Chemisse Oct 2014 #36

Well, Pham had the virons on her somehow and could have easily boston bean Oct 2014 #37

I don't think it is so much luck, as the need to have high numbers of the virus Chemisse Oct 2014 #42

If Ms. Pham had contamination on her skin boston bean Oct 2014 #43

Did these nurses go from patient to patient while treating Duncan. Chemisse Oct 2014 #46

Yes, they did treat others on the same shift they were treating Mr. Duncan. boston bean Oct 2014 #47

Exactly kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #84

People who don't have any symptoms can't transmit the disease Warpy Oct 2014 #53

Was Duncan contagious? YES. boston bean Oct 2014 #56

If the hospital suits insisted they treat other patients the same day Warpy Oct 2014 #57

Well, that is what happened. boston bean Oct 2014 #58

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch Warpy Oct 2014 #60

So poorly run, and probably so thoroughly contaminated by now, I voted for kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #86

It also persists in vaginal fluids for up to 3 months. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #85

Didn't you get the memo? We're not supposed to talk about Ebola. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #69

ebola, ebola, ebola.... boston bean Oct 2014 #72

No patients are at risk until a nurse is symptomatic. morningfog Oct 2014 #73

You get a grip on facts please. boston bean Oct 2014 #74

Good lord. Your 1-3 are stupid. morningfog Oct 2014 #75

Really, you think it's not possible? boston bean Oct 2014 #76

That didn't happen. It's silly. Absolutely silly. morningfog Oct 2014 #78

To you maybe. It's infection control 101. boston bean Oct 2014 #80

How many people bein treated in the hospital have been infected? morningfog Oct 2014 #81

You don't find it appalling that it occurred? boston bean Oct 2014 #82

Would you want a nurse who had just worked on an Ebola patient to come treat you right after? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #83

It doesn't take obvious bloody smears. All it takes is a single virus particle, which can survive kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #88

If they were contaminated enough to get ill, it's entirely possible. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #98

And what about their families? LukeFL Oct 2014 #93

Epidemiology FAIL. Those nurses, with their poor PPE, were also caring for other patients kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #87

Mr. Duncans exposed family is out of isolation this Monday. Sunlei Oct 2014 #101