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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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1. One can easily notice this carries over into a wider notion as well.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 02:21 PM
Oct 2014
If the Southern life was pretty and sophisticated, it's because slavery afforded it.


The accumulation of wealth is based on unequal exchange, and the exploitation of others. After all, if all you got for doing some amount of work was an exchange commensurate with the amount of time and effort you put into it, we'd all end up being wealthy in direct proportion to the amount of time we spend working. Capitalism as a whole is based upon the notion that we can underpay labour and overcharge consumers to create 'profit' which then accumulates to those who put in the capital that underlies the enterprise.

So the sophisticated lifestyles of the rich and famous are based upon extracting greater wealth for them (or their ancestors, from whom they inherited) at the expense of others. We may have largely done away with outright slavery, but exploitation is alive and well in modern societies the world over, either through the exploitation of their own people, exploitation of outsiders, or, most often, both.

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One can easily notice this carries over into a wider notion as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #1
+1 enlightenment Oct 2014 #2
Well said. silverweb Oct 2014 #3
K&R northoftheborder Oct 2014 #6
+1 I wonder if the greedies of today would have given up slavery or would they just have moved merrily Oct 2014 #7
They didn't have to move the slaves, brer cat Oct 2014 #10
That's kind of what inspired my question. merrily Oct 2014 #11
So obvious, it's sad this should even have to be reiterated, though you did it well. K&R here. freshwest Oct 2014 #25
+1 million. America still has people who, even though they are getting paid, are in effect slaves. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #30
PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #65
Yep. You ain't just whistlin' Dixie, nt Zorra Oct 2014 #87
Ouch! That's going to leave a mark! hedgehog Oct 2014 #4
Not disputing your point, but if you are going to be honest about it, the women had little to do world wide wally Oct 2014 #5
Women everywhere have always had an important role in shaping society. For one thing, they always merrily Oct 2014 #9
Actually, in slave-holding households, just like most rich households from medieval times and on.... moriah Oct 2014 #55
There is a difference between doing the work and instilling values. merrily Oct 2014 #57
What, second generation households didn't exist? moriah Oct 2014 #58
My post does not say no second generation households at all existed, does it? New immigrants merrily Oct 2014 #62
More like until they had the option not to swear to "obey" their husbands. moriah Oct 2014 #84
I thought you were seriously debating that women had no role in raising kids. merrily Oct 2014 #85
The point was that women had little power in the past, even over their own households. moriah Oct 2014 #86
The Belle was just as trapped as the slaves were Warpy Oct 2014 #8
Some women did own slaves, and there was no great rush to manumit. Orsino Oct 2014 #70
The Belle, by very definition, was an ornament Warpy Oct 2014 #75
Scarlett O'Hara was no belle? Orsino Oct 2014 #79
Not after she stole her sister's fiance Warpy Oct 2014 #80
I think a whole lot of southern belles' facades crumbled in the war. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #82
Who is Scarlett? chrisa Oct 2014 #12
O'Hara baldguy Oct 2014 #14
Oh. Thanks! chrisa Oct 2014 #16
O'Hara--from Gone With The Wind. nt truebluegreen Oct 2014 #15
Thanks! chrisa Oct 2014 #17
Scarlett bigwillq Oct 2014 #60
Southern Belles are the targets of today's two minutes hate? Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #13
I read somewhere that serfs had more time off than modern workers do bettyellen Oct 2014 #18
They did for a long time Warpy Oct 2014 #51
My company's foreign staff gets a lot more time off than us, and although they're paid lower..... bettyellen Oct 2014 #83
Probably yes. Unless the feudal lords actually owned the peasants. kwassa Oct 2014 #19
The memories of American slavery are much more alive, and therefor hurtful, in America... Orsino Oct 2014 #71
Must be rather easy to live in a world in which social criticism is inferred as Orwellian melodrama. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #88
Holy crap, that's an awesome rant! gollygee Oct 2014 #20
The costume has possibilities... pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #21
ROFL gollygee Oct 2014 #22
I would hope they would oberliner Oct 2014 #28
Ended in 1978 gollygee Oct 2014 #39
Reruns in the 80's and 90's oberliner Oct 2014 #42
Oh gollygee Oct 2014 #43
I'm a bit younger than that and remember it. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #68
Loved her show pipi_k Oct 2014 #72
Thanks LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #23
Imagine if the South had won the Civil War? Octafish Oct 2014 #24
Those ornaments were all over the country - not just the South oberliner Oct 2014 #26
Yes, very popular in the fifties on tract, middle class lawns for those who were into lawn maddiemom Oct 2014 #74
I can't think about that right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #27
I remember those when I was a kid, even in Calif. but to be fair Cleita Oct 2014 #34
Thats a horse hitching post,fyi. riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #35
They must have been left over from an earlier time because Cleita Oct 2014 #37
Agreed. I have no idea why any "modern" city person would have one other than they're a racist riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #38
Two homes in a nasty metro suburban neighborhood near me way way north of mason Dixon line lunasun Oct 2014 #52
Isnt this the guy who said we should bully nerds? aikoaiko Oct 2014 #29
Yes, it is. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #32
I think its a little more complicated than that. aikoaiko Oct 2014 #36
Is it OK to use plantation houses for anything? Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #40
IMO gollygee Oct 2014 #41
The majority should be demolished. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #45
No... We don't destroy history...... Adrahil Oct 2014 #48
Monuments glorifying enslavers and traitors arent history. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #49
So tear down the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial? Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #50
Don't forget gladium et scutum Oct 2014 #53
Lol so you support monuments glorifying people that launched open rebellion against the US ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #54
We should bulldoze all the California Missions too. Throd Oct 2014 #64
Lol I dont know why people who identify as progressive would oppose bulldozing the monuments at a ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #69
Bulldozing unpleasant history is a dangerous precedent. Throd Oct 2014 #73
Simply because I don't support official approved histories. Adrahil Oct 2014 #78
Uhhh, is there a different history then the one where ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #81
I would have preferred laws preventing their erection in the first place... Adrahil Oct 2014 #77
The problem is that such "cleansing" is subjective. Adrahil Oct 2014 #76
. stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #66
Ummmmm....... Can't agree. NT Adrahil Oct 2014 #47
Oh Maggie! You are the most raciest! Can I ring that belle!! LuvLoogie Oct 2014 #31
Most "Old South" crap is racist Corruption Inc Oct 2014 #33
+1000 Tom Ripley Oct 2014 #44
yup La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #61
As Paula Deen is my witness, I'll never be hungry again! betsuni Oct 2014 #46
I've called my customer service persona "doing the Southern Belle routine".... moriah Oct 2014 #56
Wow, well said! "Ah for the lovely days when we were rich because we OWNED people!" DesertDiamond Oct 2014 #59
K&R! I like this! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #63
If the south had won, they'd be an aristocracy, not a democracy. The landed gentry alfredo Oct 2014 #67
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