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pa28

(6,145 posts) Sat Oct 18, 2014, 07:13 PM Oct 2014

Meanwhile in England: 0 fatalities by cop in the last 2 years. 4 total shootings. [View all]

Even after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain’s population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014 the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/18/1336354/-Yes-it-s-true-Police-only-shot-four-people-and-nobody-died-in-all-of-England-the-past-two-years#

Are we feeling safer yet?

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Meanwhile in England: 0 fatalities by cop in the last 2 years. 4 total shootings. [View all] pa28 Oct 2014 OP

K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2014 #1

K&R DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #2

Why do cops even need guns? They murder far more innocent ppl than they save. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #3

Because civilians have guns BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #4

That if everybody is armed to the teeth, we'll all live in a utopian society? Chakab Oct 2014 #5

Is that not America today, armed to the teeth Utopia? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #7

Of course! BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #13

An armed to the teeth citizenry naturally means a similar police force...duh. And neither are safer. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #6

+ infinity!!!! etherealtruth Oct 2014 #9

Agreed. Only solution imo is to get the guns back to cstanleytech Oct 2014 #10

It needs a better Supreme Court that has members not indebted to the NRA. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #17

The problem is though with relying on scotus is that their opinions can change where as cstanleytech Oct 2014 #19

Cart before the horse, my daddy always said, never is a good idea. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #20

Just like how you would "reinterpret" the First Amendment? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #25

Well.. that was disturbing.... Oktober Oct 2014 #45

As long as we are going to just say fuck it sarisataka Oct 2014 #48

How would we afford to do that? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #24

Buy back? Confiscate and destroy, refund all registration fees and taxes only. Same with the police Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #26

You can't just take people's property without due process and recompensation. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #28

and nobody calls for confiscation Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #30

I am calling for confiscation, Australia did it. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #34

They also paid for the weapons Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #36

85,000 in a year? That is the gun sales in one day in America...try again.... Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #38

Not telling the truth again I see Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #40

Austrailia paid full market value for every gun. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #39

Guns will no longer be considered legal property, duh. Only restricted to certain trained folks and Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #47

care to answer my question in post #40 Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #49

You still cannot take private property from people without just compensation. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #50

in his world you can Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #52

Land of the free, yo!!! Initech Oct 2014 #12

So you don't think the problem runs any deeper than that? pa28 Oct 2014 #14

Britain proves that the answer is NO, it does not. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #16

Well, since there are no guns in Britain that proves it. pa28 Oct 2014 #42

And before the ghost of Charleton Heston can say "we have a more mixed ethnicity" TrollBuster9090 Oct 2014 #8

Much smaller country Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #31

Too many of our cops are untrained, undisciplined children who like flashing lights and dressing up. EEO Oct 2014 #11

I'm not sure what you'd name it but there's also this . . . pa28 Oct 2014 #15

Masochism... EEO Oct 2014 #18

The main difference is, of course, RKBA. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #21

Because were fucking violent country who loves guns! nt Logical Oct 2014 #22

what is their homicide rate compared to ours? hfojvt Oct 2014 #23

Or, (c). They all are not armed to the teeth with military grade weaponry? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #27

what is military grade? Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #32

Your mindset. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #33

You made the statement Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #35

you think that is an alternative? hfojvt Oct 2014 #44

Well, unilaterally disarming is what they did in the UK and they are handling the punks fine, and Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #46

no, it is neither factual nor complete hfojvt Oct 2014 #53

5 incidents of use of firearms by a cop, what more proof do folks need that guns are dangerous in Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #54

It's common knowledge Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #55

Weak. So, you surrender to the logic? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #56

Nope Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #57

K&R Grey Oct 2014 #29

In addition to a different police culture, GB doesn't have an armed to the tblue37 Oct 2014 #37

If interacting with the public causes trigger-pulling pants-pissing fear pa28 Oct 2014 #41

Absolutely. A partial explanation is NOT a justification. There is NO excuse for US cops' behavior. tblue37 Oct 2014 #43

No neurosis like Antebellum yearning for a backward time . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #51