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w0nderer

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41. Makes sense though doesn't it?

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 10:30 PM

Oct 2014

even just with cold or flu

1 person comes in on nyquil / dayquil (still spreading it) and self running at less than 50% capacity

vs...stay home a few days more (or call doctor)

respect vs selfishness

*bows* if i had the training i'd be honoured to be on that team

edit :::
did not mean to compare ebola (or other major diseases) to flu (although having read the wonders of spanish flu ...)

it's one of those personal responsibility vs 'i can do what i want' things

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I'm a nurse and I took the Nightingale Pledge. [View all] Avalux Oct 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #1

It's what I would have done, in the same situation. Avalux Oct 2014 #5

Absolutely! FarPoint Oct 2014 #105

If only.... MoonRiver Oct 2014 #2

Are you one of the nurses in Dallas who worked with MrDuncan? uppityperson Oct 2014 #3

No I am not. Avalux Oct 2014 #4

Gotcha, thanks. uppityperson Oct 2014 #7

-strike nurses- -insert good citizen/population- w0nderer Oct 2014 #11

Thank you. Avalux Oct 2014 #24

Makes sense though doesn't it? w0nderer Oct 2014 #41

We get counciled if we call in sick PuraVidaDreamin Oct 2014 #60

I had influenza yrs ago and was told to come to work and just wear a mask, while taking care of uppityperson Oct 2014 #83

respects! i hope so too w0nderer Oct 2014 #111

Not doubting, that's ridiculous though w0nderer Oct 2014 #110

Then why aren't we quarantining health care workers who work on Ebola patients? moriah Oct 2014 #16

Where? In Africa? And yes I would. Avalux Oct 2014 #19

What I meant is, medical workers catching Ebola in the hospital from hospitalized patients... moriah Oct 2014 #34

There's definitely risk involved without enforcing quarantines. Avalux Oct 2014 #40

Patients w/ Ebola really need to be quickly moved to hospitals with people trained in dealing with.. moriah Oct 2014 #72

Here's the problem with that. Avalux Oct 2014 #74

Indeed! Great post and point! n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #80

Then train health care workers better. And right now, we have less than eight cases. moriah Oct 2014 #108

Me too! I felt a twinge of embarrassment. FarPoint Oct 2014 #106

"For the good of all." The defining concept of civilization. enough Oct 2014 #6

God, enough, you just made a really profound AND foundational statement. calimary Oct 2014 #9

If I could rec a post, yours would be DiverDave Oct 2014 #20

Good post, thank you. Avalux Oct 2014 #22

So well said! Tumbulu Oct 2014 #91

+1 (n/t) w0nderer Oct 2014 #42

^^^ Health care workers are like good soldiers: Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #112

I presume that means that after you cared for Mr. Duncan, you refused orders magical thyme Oct 2014 #8

If I had been given a totally inadequate PPE, I would have quit. Avalux Oct 2014 #10

How do we know what Amber's mind set was? Texasgal Oct 2014 #14

Read my other posts in this thread. Avalux Oct 2014 #17

Ah, but would you have cared for other (non-Ebola) patients after caring for Duncan with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #62

As I stated above, I would have quit. Avalux Oct 2014 #68

Common sense is not an issue here. Texasgal Oct 2014 #93

Sorry, but I won't blame the adminstrators and absolve her. Avalux Oct 2014 #96

what orders did she not follow? Texasgal Oct 2014 #98

Perhaps she could have used her critical thinking skills to find out for herself. Avalux Oct 2014 #100

She didn't know it was inadequate PPE Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #109

I agree with you. Especially as both nurses seem to have had good support systems magical thyme Oct 2014 #15

Suddenly quit? In Texas, a nurse might be threatened Ilsa Oct 2014 #18

THANK YOU AVALUX Skittles Oct 2014 #12

I think they don't have an understanding. Avalux Oct 2014 #13

in their zeal to demonize the hospital management and the CDC Skittles Oct 2014 #21

I agree with you completely. Avalux Oct 2014 #25

I always saw being a nurse, like being a teacher, a calling Skittles Oct 2014 #101

You are an angel on this earth MissDeeds Oct 2014 #23

I get what you're saying, KMOD Oct 2014 #26

There were two decision points. Avalux Oct 2014 #27

She reported her low-grade fever KMOD Oct 2014 #28

Fever is a symptom. She was symptomatic. LisaL Oct 2014 #30

heh, this could change to another discussion KMOD Oct 2014 #35

Since 13% of Ebola patients do not run a fever at all, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #81

Yes, of course n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #84

I really can't say, because I don't have the facts. Avalux Oct 2014 #31

Authorities now think she might have had symptoms as early as Friday. LisaL Oct 2014 #32

Like I said, all we have is her word. Avalux Oct 2014 #33

She didn't have typical symptoms even when she was diagnosed. LisaL Oct 2014 #36

Is Ebola no longer spread from vomit, diarrhea and blood? KMOD Oct 2014 #38

Your forgot other body fluids, such as saliva, sweat and urine. LisaL Oct 2014 #45

Yes, you are right that I did not mention all of the bodily fluids KMOD Oct 2014 #48

Yes, really. LisaL Oct 2014 #49

Well, ok then. Thank you for your honesty. KMOD Oct 2014 #52

Thank you for your response. KMOD Oct 2014 #37

Ebola is spread by all body fluids. LisaL Oct 2014 #43

I'm quite aware of this, but thank you KMOD Oct 2014 #50

It is still contagious. It's on a continuum, depending on viral load but also magical thyme Oct 2014 #54

on the immunocompetency of the exposed person. KMOD Oct 2014 #59

I doubt it. magical thyme Oct 2014 #63

lol KMOD Oct 2014 #69

I went into the urgent care lab the other day magical thyme Oct 2014 #76

:) You're on top the of curve MT KMOD Oct 2014 #82

She exhibited more symptoms in Cleveland before flying home. RiffRandell Oct 2014 #39

She felt "funny'' KMOD Oct 2014 #47

I don't take much stock in what anyone says right now. RiffRandell Oct 2014 #66

That's cool n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #70

She was already symptomatic when she flew back to Dallas. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

I see you provided details above. She did not have diarrhea or vomiting, say 3rd party sources. Avalux Oct 2014 #44

Her symptoms are listed in post 39. LisaL Oct 2014 #46

post 39 quotes a federal official on her earlier symtpoms magical thyme Oct 2014 #51

CDC seems to think her Ebola presentation was atypical. LisaL Oct 2014 #53

meh. CDC thought 101.5F was an appropriate threshold criteria. CDC thought it was ok to magical thyme Oct 2014 #55

Well, that's true. LisaL Oct 2014 #73

Nina's first symptom was a low grade fever, and she came in immediately magical thyme Oct 2014 #77

Well, it's just a guess. LisaL Oct 2014 #86

I'm not going to try to parse their statements down to that level... magical thyme Oct 2014 #87

After she provided care to Mr. Duncan, Vinson provided care to other KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #56

Well, her family members are now in quarantine. LisaL Oct 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #64

So does that mean the CDC employee who cleared her for travel (via the TX KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #65

Of course CDC were wrong to allow her to travel. LisaL Oct 2014 #67

Management and government have made bad decisions. She did, too. Lars39 Oct 2014 #75

Fallacy of false equivalence. Hindsight is always 20-20. The decisions she KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #88

She made the choice to put herself in places Lars39 Oct 2014 #90

Um, you do know the CDC cleared her to fly back from Ohio to Texas, right? So after KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #94

If you go back and read the OP, you might learn Lars39 Oct 2014 #95

But apparently not objecting to the management of the hospital ordering KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #97

Not so! Lars39 Oct 2014 #99

thank you LisaL - you get it Skittles Oct 2014 #103

That's sounds horribly spiteful. RiffRandell Oct 2014 #78

It may be the last time she gets to see her family and loved ones after having KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #92

I am a nurse who was infected with tavernier Oct 2014 #57

The sooner we stop the panic, the sooner we will find an intelligent and appropriate way to deal KMOD Oct 2014 #61

Interesting that you contracted PCP with a healthy immune system. Avalux Oct 2014 #71

Three of us contracted it. tavernier Oct 2014 #79

Sounds like you're a great nurse, not to mention very RiffRandell Oct 2014 #85

The sad part is that tavernier Oct 2014 #89

Am I the only one who finds that pledge a bit offensive? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #102

The 77 workers were not considered an at risk group. Period. ecstatic Oct 2014 #104

She was in OH but she still had to fly back. LisaL Oct 2014 #107