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Lars39

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99. Not so!

Reply to KingCharlemagne (Reply #97)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:18 AM

Oct 2014

Goes against even basic training.

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I'm a nurse and I took the Nightingale Pledge. [View all] Avalux Oct 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #1

It's what I would have done, in the same situation. Avalux Oct 2014 #5

Absolutely! FarPoint Oct 2014 #105

If only.... MoonRiver Oct 2014 #2

Are you one of the nurses in Dallas who worked with MrDuncan? uppityperson Oct 2014 #3

No I am not. Avalux Oct 2014 #4

Gotcha, thanks. uppityperson Oct 2014 #7

-strike nurses- -insert good citizen/population- w0nderer Oct 2014 #11

Thank you. Avalux Oct 2014 #24

Makes sense though doesn't it? w0nderer Oct 2014 #41

We get counciled if we call in sick PuraVidaDreamin Oct 2014 #60

I had influenza yrs ago and was told to come to work and just wear a mask, while taking care of uppityperson Oct 2014 #83

respects! i hope so too w0nderer Oct 2014 #111

Not doubting, that's ridiculous though w0nderer Oct 2014 #110

Then why aren't we quarantining health care workers who work on Ebola patients? moriah Oct 2014 #16

Where? In Africa? And yes I would. Avalux Oct 2014 #19

What I meant is, medical workers catching Ebola in the hospital from hospitalized patients... moriah Oct 2014 #34

There's definitely risk involved without enforcing quarantines. Avalux Oct 2014 #40

Patients w/ Ebola really need to be quickly moved to hospitals with people trained in dealing with.. moriah Oct 2014 #72

Here's the problem with that. Avalux Oct 2014 #74

Indeed! Great post and point! n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #80

Then train health care workers better. And right now, we have less than eight cases. moriah Oct 2014 #108

Me too! I felt a twinge of embarrassment. FarPoint Oct 2014 #106

"For the good of all." The defining concept of civilization. enough Oct 2014 #6

God, enough, you just made a really profound AND foundational statement. calimary Oct 2014 #9

If I could rec a post, yours would be DiverDave Oct 2014 #20

Good post, thank you. Avalux Oct 2014 #22

So well said! Tumbulu Oct 2014 #91

+1 (n/t) w0nderer Oct 2014 #42

^^^ Health care workers are like good soldiers: Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #112

I presume that means that after you cared for Mr. Duncan, you refused orders magical thyme Oct 2014 #8

If I had been given a totally inadequate PPE, I would have quit. Avalux Oct 2014 #10

How do we know what Amber's mind set was? Texasgal Oct 2014 #14

Read my other posts in this thread. Avalux Oct 2014 #17

Ah, but would you have cared for other (non-Ebola) patients after caring for Duncan with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #62

As I stated above, I would have quit. Avalux Oct 2014 #68

Common sense is not an issue here. Texasgal Oct 2014 #93

Sorry, but I won't blame the adminstrators and absolve her. Avalux Oct 2014 #96

what orders did she not follow? Texasgal Oct 2014 #98

Perhaps she could have used her critical thinking skills to find out for herself. Avalux Oct 2014 #100

She didn't know it was inadequate PPE Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #109

I agree with you. Especially as both nurses seem to have had good support systems magical thyme Oct 2014 #15

Suddenly quit? In Texas, a nurse might be threatened Ilsa Oct 2014 #18

THANK YOU AVALUX Skittles Oct 2014 #12

I think they don't have an understanding. Avalux Oct 2014 #13

in their zeal to demonize the hospital management and the CDC Skittles Oct 2014 #21

I agree with you completely. Avalux Oct 2014 #25

I always saw being a nurse, like being a teacher, a calling Skittles Oct 2014 #101

You are an angel on this earth MissDeeds Oct 2014 #23

I get what you're saying, KMOD Oct 2014 #26

There were two decision points. Avalux Oct 2014 #27

She reported her low-grade fever KMOD Oct 2014 #28

Fever is a symptom. She was symptomatic. LisaL Oct 2014 #30

heh, this could change to another discussion KMOD Oct 2014 #35

Since 13% of Ebola patients do not run a fever at all, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #81

Yes, of course n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #84

I really can't say, because I don't have the facts. Avalux Oct 2014 #31

Authorities now think she might have had symptoms as early as Friday. LisaL Oct 2014 #32

Like I said, all we have is her word. Avalux Oct 2014 #33

She didn't have typical symptoms even when she was diagnosed. LisaL Oct 2014 #36

Is Ebola no longer spread from vomit, diarrhea and blood? KMOD Oct 2014 #38

Your forgot other body fluids, such as saliva, sweat and urine. LisaL Oct 2014 #45

Yes, you are right that I did not mention all of the bodily fluids KMOD Oct 2014 #48

Yes, really. LisaL Oct 2014 #49

Well, ok then. Thank you for your honesty. KMOD Oct 2014 #52

Thank you for your response. KMOD Oct 2014 #37

Ebola is spread by all body fluids. LisaL Oct 2014 #43

I'm quite aware of this, but thank you KMOD Oct 2014 #50

It is still contagious. It's on a continuum, depending on viral load but also magical thyme Oct 2014 #54

on the immunocompetency of the exposed person. KMOD Oct 2014 #59

I doubt it. magical thyme Oct 2014 #63

lol KMOD Oct 2014 #69

I went into the urgent care lab the other day magical thyme Oct 2014 #76

:) You're on top the of curve MT KMOD Oct 2014 #82

She exhibited more symptoms in Cleveland before flying home. RiffRandell Oct 2014 #39

She felt "funny'' KMOD Oct 2014 #47

I don't take much stock in what anyone says right now. RiffRandell Oct 2014 #66

That's cool n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #70

She was already symptomatic when she flew back to Dallas. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

I see you provided details above. She did not have diarrhea or vomiting, say 3rd party sources. Avalux Oct 2014 #44

Her symptoms are listed in post 39. LisaL Oct 2014 #46

post 39 quotes a federal official on her earlier symtpoms magical thyme Oct 2014 #51

CDC seems to think her Ebola presentation was atypical. LisaL Oct 2014 #53

meh. CDC thought 101.5F was an appropriate threshold criteria. CDC thought it was ok to magical thyme Oct 2014 #55

Well, that's true. LisaL Oct 2014 #73

Nina's first symptom was a low grade fever, and she came in immediately magical thyme Oct 2014 #77

Well, it's just a guess. LisaL Oct 2014 #86

I'm not going to try to parse their statements down to that level... magical thyme Oct 2014 #87

After she provided care to Mr. Duncan, Vinson provided care to other KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #56

Well, her family members are now in quarantine. LisaL Oct 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #64

So does that mean the CDC employee who cleared her for travel (via the TX KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #65

Of course CDC were wrong to allow her to travel. LisaL Oct 2014 #67

Management and government have made bad decisions. She did, too. Lars39 Oct 2014 #75

Fallacy of false equivalence. Hindsight is always 20-20. The decisions she KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #88

She made the choice to put herself in places Lars39 Oct 2014 #90

Um, you do know the CDC cleared her to fly back from Ohio to Texas, right? So after KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #94

If you go back and read the OP, you might learn Lars39 Oct 2014 #95

But apparently not objecting to the management of the hospital ordering KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #97

Not so! Lars39 Oct 2014 #99

thank you LisaL - you get it Skittles Oct 2014 #103

That's sounds horribly spiteful. RiffRandell Oct 2014 #78

It may be the last time she gets to see her family and loved ones after having KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #92

I am a nurse who was infected with tavernier Oct 2014 #57

The sooner we stop the panic, the sooner we will find an intelligent and appropriate way to deal KMOD Oct 2014 #61

Interesting that you contracted PCP with a healthy immune system. Avalux Oct 2014 #71

Three of us contracted it. tavernier Oct 2014 #79

Sounds like you're a great nurse, not to mention very RiffRandell Oct 2014 #85

The sad part is that tavernier Oct 2014 #89

Am I the only one who finds that pledge a bit offensive? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #102

The 77 workers were not considered an at risk group. Period. ecstatic Oct 2014 #104

She was in OH but she still had to fly back. LisaL Oct 2014 #107