General Discussion

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)

64. Your outrage at my outrage is hilarious

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 04:41 PM

Oct 2014

Dude, this IS HAPPENING NOW.

A decision must be made on this within 30 days, and "is being debated" behind closed doors at the WH.

Did you not read the article. This is NOT mere speculation.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

131 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Obama's 170 degrees (going on 180) on Torture is a sad and scary spectacle [View all] 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 OP

"A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots." Obama Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #1

The problem with lines in the sand is that the winds from the hot air of gas bags MontyPow Oct 2014 #46

At what point does it become not worth it? Autumn Oct 2014 #2

It would be one thing if torture actually "worked" 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #4

It wouldn't fvcking matter if it worked, or have you know moral baseline at all? MontyPow Oct 2014 #47

Excellent. I was thinking the same. If one keeps redefining their ballyhoo Oct 2014 #117

Well said! MontyPow Oct 2014 #123

It's disgusting to many who voted for him twice. Do ballyhoo Oct 2014 #116

Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #3

Overwhelmingly corporate-corrupted government. woo me with science Oct 2014 #5

That IS the $64,000 Question 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #6

Yeah. woo me with science Oct 2014 #42

What can we do? I was telling people to support the Community Rights Movement truedelphi Oct 2014 #18

"the judicial system is starting to overturn local initiatives." woo me with science Oct 2014 #51

What a sad bit of quotations from "1984" and now our truedelphi Oct 2014 #65

THAT is the question - but so far too few are invested in the answer. polichick Oct 2014 #54

I think woo me with science Oct 2014 #61

True - propaganda is a huge problem - facts are no longer agreed upon... polichick Oct 2014 #70

One thing that could begin to weaken the power of these corporations is to stop buying sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #111

So the decision hasn't even been made but you Democrat Leaning Independents.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #7

Kill the messenger AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #8

there is no message..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #9

Read the article AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #10

I read the post....I am responding to THAT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #12

Read the NYT article G_j Oct 2014 #16

I know....the same way Athiesm isn't a religion.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #19

"YOU" ? I am a registered Democrat G_j Oct 2014 #27

pay not attention to the democrat leaning republicans...or the republican leaning democrats nt msongs Oct 2014 #34

Yeah, that's more like it. deurbano Oct 2014 #48

Apparently the OP had decided that the decision had already been made.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #102

you should not dissent at all, according to the BOG Doctor_J Oct 2014 #106

Pay attention to the Democrats....the ones who plan to vote for whomever wins the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #101

then maybe it wasn't about you.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #99

Sorry if reading the actual source material is too much of a pain in the ass for you. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #90

Its not the source....its the "reporting"....or lack thereof on DU... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #100

And use truedelphi Oct 2014 #32

More like a suicide! whistler162 Oct 2014 #49

Aging American - too bad that those of us who are older, truedelphi Oct 2014 #66

The OP title says it already happened. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #11

EXACTLY my point....I am sick and tire of these Independents who claim to be Democrats VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #13

The Combustible Hair Club is always on fire. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #17

causing complete meltdown! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #21

You do agree torture is wrong, and should always be prosecuted, correct? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #60

Are you saying that 'real Democrats' approve of torture? Do YOU approve of torture? sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #126

exactly my point! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #127

Do you believe that a 'real Dem', unlike those 'left leaning Independents', should be okay with sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #129

I believe a real Dem would be able to pledge to VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #130

Another "don't worry about anything until it actually happens and is too late cui bono Oct 2014 #20

this OP is NOT worrying...its condemning....read the title "mkay"! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #22

Want to put money on this? They have to decide very soon. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #24

Your OP title is a lie, and you should change it. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #31

You should look forward Fumesucker Oct 2014 #105

If we don't know that it is being debated, how can we voice our opinion to our elected Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #14

Who says it is being debated? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #15

From the article: Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #23

I am not talking ABOUT the article....I am criticising the OP itself...its FALSE! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #25

The title of the OP is false. Not the content. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #26

So you're more than happy to deflect the discussion to what you feel is the OP's intent... bluesbassman Oct 2014 #29

Blame the OP for lying. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #33

What's the lie? bluesbassman Oct 2014 #37

It's the title which has been changed but still..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #73

The OP said Obama changed 180 degrees. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #79

So Senator Obama was staunchily (and on record) as being against torture, bluesbassman Oct 2014 #82

Has Obama said he has changed his mind on that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #103

Has anyone been tortured during the Obama presidency? bluesbassman Oct 2014 #107

+1 NealK Oct 2014 #108

do you have any proof that they have? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #131

It's being "debated" behind closed doors 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #28

If it happens, then you could claim what JoePhilly Oct 2014 #36

Barack "We tortured some folks" Obama, ran for POTUS on an anti-torture platform 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #63

The fact that people in a large organization debate, does not mean a policy has changed. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #80

So you say the NYT is "lying". Really. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #85

Did the official policy change, yes or no? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #86

Obama's "official policy" on torture? 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #89

That's a lot of words to say "no". JoePhilly Oct 2014 #94

The only things "dying" 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #96

Your outrage at my outrage is hilarious 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #64

yea yea GummyBearz Oct 2014 #38

Yes. Real democrats oppose torture. What the FUCK does that make YOU, then? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #45

+6.02x10^23rd! DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #59

you win the day ! grasswire Oct 2014 #76

...Choreographer? Cryptogrpher? Concertmaster? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #95

Croquetplayer Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #115

Where have I said otherwise... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #104

Do you believe that torture is good? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #50

The predictable PR swarm has arrived and is busy at work, woo me with science Oct 2014 #55

With these kind of threads i like to call them out on the core idea- get them to say that torture is grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #56

It is telling, isn't it. woo me with science Oct 2014 #62

Yeah, and then, you ask them the question, and get no response...... grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #72

I guess they do. And that is not only sad, its implications are truedelphi Oct 2014 #83

they know they're wrong... Or they'd debate it. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #125

You got it Vanilla madokie Oct 2014 #84

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #30

NYT editorial meeting, emoticon-enhanced: ucrdem Oct 2014 #35

The OP's title jumps the gun a little bit. I guess we'll see what happens next month. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #39

OK maybe it's more accurate to say "170, going on 180"? 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #68

No that's also false. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #87

I couldn't help but notice 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #88

So how does one explain the President's changed attitude on torture? Maybe the CIA "explained" rhett o rick Oct 2014 #97

GOTVGOTVGOTV because if you deliver the System enough legitimacy maybe it'll spare you for 5 minutes MisterP Oct 2014 #40

If you want to know what position sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #41

Torture is wrong and bad for our country. eom JEB Oct 2014 #43

Sometimes I want attention too sharp_stick Oct 2014 #44

You do agree torture is wrong, and should always be prosecuted, correct? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #57

Some of these replies have me a bit stumped. democrank Oct 2014 #52

Precisely 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #67

Because people in a large organization debate on all kinds of things. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #81

I will reserve judgement until I see what actually happens. my bet is Obama will NOT subscribe to still_one Oct 2014 #53

Remember though, that he has asked for our input. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #58

good idea. I am also skeptical about unnamed sources still_one Oct 2014 #69

I'm skeptical, because he failed to prosecute admitted torturers. I mean, I don't want a torturer in grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #71

There's more going on here than whether or not the United States is for or againt cheapdate Oct 2014 #74

The Devil is ALWAYS in the details cheap date. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #91

No. there's never an excuse for torture. cheapdate Oct 2014 #112

As I recall, he never really banned "all of it" stupidicus Oct 2014 #75

That is precisely my point 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #93

it could well be the main if not sole reason why no prosecutions as well stupidicus Oct 2014 #98

Why indeed. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #109

A conformist , when we needed an iconoclast . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #77

what happens to future captured U.S. soldiers.... grasswire Oct 2014 #78

Can you say ISIS? 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #92

What a bullshit headline. I mean both the OP headline and the NY Times'. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #110

Any torture camp creators prosecuted yet? NOPE Corruption Inc Oct 2014 #114

It absolutely does matter who is for it and against it. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #128

K&R woo me with science Oct 2014 #113

What 170 degrees? Obama has always "stayed the course." OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #118

Holy Moly! 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #119

Don't call me Dude. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #120

LOL 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #122

^^^^^^^This post^^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2014 #124

This is where extending the olive branch comes in handy. raouldukelives Oct 2014 #121