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grasswire

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76. you win the day !

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #45)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 05:35 PM

Oct 2014

What, indeed?

In another era, the word would be a 13-letter word that begins with c and ends with r.

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Obama's 170 degrees (going on 180) on Torture is a sad and scary spectacle [View all] 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 OP

"A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots." Obama Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #1

The problem with lines in the sand is that the winds from the hot air of gas bags MontyPow Oct 2014 #46

At what point does it become not worth it? Autumn Oct 2014 #2

It would be one thing if torture actually "worked" 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #4

It wouldn't fvcking matter if it worked, or have you know moral baseline at all? MontyPow Oct 2014 #47

Excellent. I was thinking the same. If one keeps redefining their ballyhoo Oct 2014 #117

Well said! MontyPow Oct 2014 #123

It's disgusting to many who voted for him twice. Do ballyhoo Oct 2014 #116

Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #3

Overwhelmingly corporate-corrupted government. woo me with science Oct 2014 #5

That IS the $64,000 Question 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #6

Yeah. woo me with science Oct 2014 #42

What can we do? I was telling people to support the Community Rights Movement truedelphi Oct 2014 #18

"the judicial system is starting to overturn local initiatives." woo me with science Oct 2014 #51

What a sad bit of quotations from "1984" and now our truedelphi Oct 2014 #65

THAT is the question - but so far too few are invested in the answer. polichick Oct 2014 #54

I think woo me with science Oct 2014 #61

True - propaganda is a huge problem - facts are no longer agreed upon... polichick Oct 2014 #70

One thing that could begin to weaken the power of these corporations is to stop buying sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #111

So the decision hasn't even been made but you Democrat Leaning Independents.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #7

Kill the messenger AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #8

there is no message..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #9

Read the article AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #10

I read the post....I am responding to THAT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #12

Read the NYT article G_j Oct 2014 #16

I know....the same way Athiesm isn't a religion.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #19

"YOU" ? I am a registered Democrat G_j Oct 2014 #27

pay not attention to the democrat leaning republicans...or the republican leaning democrats nt msongs Oct 2014 #34

Yeah, that's more like it. deurbano Oct 2014 #48

Apparently the OP had decided that the decision had already been made.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #102

you should not dissent at all, according to the BOG Doctor_J Oct 2014 #106

Pay attention to the Democrats....the ones who plan to vote for whomever wins the Democratic VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #101

then maybe it wasn't about you.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #99

Sorry if reading the actual source material is too much of a pain in the ass for you. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #90

Its not the source....its the "reporting"....or lack thereof on DU... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #100

And use truedelphi Oct 2014 #32

More like a suicide! whistler162 Oct 2014 #49

Aging American - too bad that those of us who are older, truedelphi Oct 2014 #66

The OP title says it already happened. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #11

EXACTLY my point....I am sick and tire of these Independents who claim to be Democrats VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #13

The Combustible Hair Club is always on fire. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #17

causing complete meltdown! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #21

You do agree torture is wrong, and should always be prosecuted, correct? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #60

Are you saying that 'real Democrats' approve of torture? Do YOU approve of torture? sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #126

exactly my point! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #127

Do you believe that a 'real Dem', unlike those 'left leaning Independents', should be okay with sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #129

I believe a real Dem would be able to pledge to VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #130

Another "don't worry about anything until it actually happens and is too late cui bono Oct 2014 #20

this OP is NOT worrying...its condemning....read the title "mkay"! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #22

Want to put money on this? They have to decide very soon. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #24

Your OP title is a lie, and you should change it. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #31

You should look forward Fumesucker Oct 2014 #105

If we don't know that it is being debated, how can we voice our opinion to our elected Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #14

Who says it is being debated? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #15

From the article: Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #23

I am not talking ABOUT the article....I am criticising the OP itself...its FALSE! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #25

The title of the OP is false. Not the content. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #26

So you're more than happy to deflect the discussion to what you feel is the OP's intent... bluesbassman Oct 2014 #29

Blame the OP for lying. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #33

What's the lie? bluesbassman Oct 2014 #37

It's the title which has been changed but still..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #73

The OP said Obama changed 180 degrees. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #79

So Senator Obama was staunchily (and on record) as being against torture, bluesbassman Oct 2014 #82

Has Obama said he has changed his mind on that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #103

Has anyone been tortured during the Obama presidency? bluesbassman Oct 2014 #107

+1 NealK Oct 2014 #108

do you have any proof that they have? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #131

It's being "debated" behind closed doors 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #28

If it happens, then you could claim what JoePhilly Oct 2014 #36

Barack "We tortured some folks" Obama, ran for POTUS on an anti-torture platform 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #63

The fact that people in a large organization debate, does not mean a policy has changed. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #80

So you say the NYT is "lying". Really. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #85

Did the official policy change, yes or no? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #86

Obama's "official policy" on torture? 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #89

That's a lot of words to say "no". JoePhilly Oct 2014 #94

The only things "dying" 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #96

Your outrage at my outrage is hilarious 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #64

yea yea GummyBearz Oct 2014 #38

Yes. Real democrats oppose torture. What the FUCK does that make YOU, then? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #45

+6.02x10^23rd! DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #59

you win the day ! grasswire Oct 2014 #76

...Choreographer? Cryptogrpher? Concertmaster? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #95

Croquetplayer Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #115

Where have I said otherwise... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #104

Do you believe that torture is good? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #50

The predictable PR swarm has arrived and is busy at work, woo me with science Oct 2014 #55

With these kind of threads i like to call them out on the core idea- get them to say that torture is grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #56

It is telling, isn't it. woo me with science Oct 2014 #62

Yeah, and then, you ask them the question, and get no response...... grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #72

I guess they do. And that is not only sad, its implications are truedelphi Oct 2014 #83

they know they're wrong... Or they'd debate it. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #125

You got it Vanilla madokie Oct 2014 #84

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #30

NYT editorial meeting, emoticon-enhanced: ucrdem Oct 2014 #35

The OP's title jumps the gun a little bit. I guess we'll see what happens next month. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #39

OK maybe it's more accurate to say "170, going on 180"? 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #68

No that's also false. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #87

I couldn't help but notice 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #88

So how does one explain the President's changed attitude on torture? Maybe the CIA "explained" rhett o rick Oct 2014 #97

GOTVGOTVGOTV because if you deliver the System enough legitimacy maybe it'll spare you for 5 minutes MisterP Oct 2014 #40

If you want to know what position sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #41

Torture is wrong and bad for our country. eom JEB Oct 2014 #43

Sometimes I want attention too sharp_stick Oct 2014 #44

You do agree torture is wrong, and should always be prosecuted, correct? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #57

Some of these replies have me a bit stumped. democrank Oct 2014 #52

Precisely 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #67

Because people in a large organization debate on all kinds of things. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #81

I will reserve judgement until I see what actually happens. my bet is Obama will NOT subscribe to still_one Oct 2014 #53

Remember though, that he has asked for our input. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #58

good idea. I am also skeptical about unnamed sources still_one Oct 2014 #69

I'm skeptical, because he failed to prosecute admitted torturers. I mean, I don't want a torturer in grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #71

There's more going on here than whether or not the United States is for or againt cheapdate Oct 2014 #74

The Devil is ALWAYS in the details cheap date. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #91

No. there's never an excuse for torture. cheapdate Oct 2014 #112

As I recall, he never really banned "all of it" stupidicus Oct 2014 #75

That is precisely my point 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #93

it could well be the main if not sole reason why no prosecutions as well stupidicus Oct 2014 #98

Why indeed. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #109

A conformist , when we needed an iconoclast . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2014 #77

what happens to future captured U.S. soldiers.... grasswire Oct 2014 #78

Can you say ISIS? 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #92

What a bullshit headline. I mean both the OP headline and the NY Times'. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #110

Any torture camp creators prosecuted yet? NOPE Corruption Inc Oct 2014 #114

It absolutely does matter who is for it and against it. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #128

K&R woo me with science Oct 2014 #113

What 170 degrees? Obama has always "stayed the course." OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #118

Holy Moly! 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #119

Don't call me Dude. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #120

LOL 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #122

^^^^^^^This post^^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2014 #124

This is where extending the olive branch comes in handy. raouldukelives Oct 2014 #121