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In reply to the discussion: Obama's 170 degrees (going on 180) on Torture is a sad and scary spectacle [View all]NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)110. What a bullshit headline. I mean both the OP headline and the NY Times'.
The NY Times headline could just as easily read "Obama Could Reaffirm His Own Reading of a Treaty on Torture".
I like how this post omits the part of the article that talks about the State Department, which is strongly pushing to reject Bush's interpretation:
State Department lawyers are said to be pushing to officially abandon the Bush-era interpretation. Doing so would require no policy changes, since Mr. Obama issued an executive order in 2009 that forbade cruel interrogations anywhere and made it harder for a future administration to return to torture.
And this part:
Bernadette Meehan, a National Security Council spokeswoman, said Mr. Obamas opposition to torture and cruel interrogations anywhere in the world was clear, separate from the legal question of whether the United Nations treaty applies to American behavior overseas.
We are considering that question, and other questions posed by the committee, carefully as we prepare for the presentation in November, Ms. Meehan said. But there is no question that torture and cruel treatment in armed conflict are clearly and categorically prohibited in all places.
We are considering that question, and other questions posed by the committee, carefully as we prepare for the presentation in November, Ms. Meehan said. But there is no question that torture and cruel treatment in armed conflict are clearly and categorically prohibited in all places.
In fact, the majority of the article talks about the strong opposition within the administration to reading it as Bush did. And everything we know says Pres. Obama's stance is consistently against it as well.
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Obama's 170 degrees (going on 180) on Torture is a sad and scary spectacle [View all]
99th_Monkey
Oct 2014
OP
"A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots." Obama
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2014
#1
The problem with lines in the sand is that the winds from the hot air of gas bags
MontyPow
Oct 2014
#46
It wouldn't fvcking matter if it worked, or have you know moral baseline at all?
MontyPow
Oct 2014
#47
Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - nt
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#3
What can we do? I was telling people to support the Community Rights Movement
truedelphi
Oct 2014
#18
One thing that could begin to weaken the power of these corporations is to stop buying
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#111
So the decision hasn't even been made but you Democrat Leaning Independents....
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#7
pay not attention to the democrat leaning republicans...or the republican leaning democrats nt
msongs
Oct 2014
#34
Apparently the OP had decided that the decision had already been made....
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#102
Pay attention to the Democrats....the ones who plan to vote for whomever wins the Democratic
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#101
Sorry if reading the actual source material is too much of a pain in the ass for you. nt
99th_Monkey
Oct 2014
#90
EXACTLY my point....I am sick and tire of these Independents who claim to be Democrats
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#13
Are you saying that 'real Democrats' approve of torture? Do YOU approve of torture?
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#126
Do you believe that a 'real Dem', unlike those 'left leaning Independents', should be okay with
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#129
If we don't know that it is being debated, how can we voice our opinion to our elected
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#14
I am not talking ABOUT the article....I am criticising the OP itself...its FALSE!
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#25
So you're more than happy to deflect the discussion to what you feel is the OP's intent...
bluesbassman
Oct 2014
#29
Barack "We tortured some folks" Obama, ran for POTUS on an anti-torture platform
99th_Monkey
Oct 2014
#63
The fact that people in a large organization debate, does not mean a policy has changed.
JoePhilly
Oct 2014
#80
With these kind of threads i like to call them out on the core idea- get them to say that torture is
grahamhgreen
Oct 2014
#56
The OP's title jumps the gun a little bit. I guess we'll see what happens next month.
Comrade Grumpy
Oct 2014
#39
So how does one explain the President's changed attitude on torture? Maybe the CIA "explained"
rhett o rick
Oct 2014
#97
GOTVGOTVGOTV because if you deliver the System enough legitimacy maybe it'll spare you for 5 minutes
MisterP
Oct 2014
#40
I will reserve judgement until I see what actually happens. my bet is Obama will NOT subscribe to
still_one
Oct 2014
#53
I'm skeptical, because he failed to prosecute admitted torturers. I mean, I don't want a torturer in
grahamhgreen
Oct 2014
#71
There's more going on here than whether or not the United States is for or againt
cheapdate
Oct 2014
#74