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Ms. Toad

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98. Really? Contained like two new infections

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 12:48 AM

Oct 2014

when there was theoretically no risk of exposure? 153 new people being monitored in Summit and Cuyahoga Counties?

All those new costly infections and monitoring are the result of public health officials, at one level or another, who have failed to do their jobs - and medical staff who has failed to use their medical training to fill in the gaps left by the public health officials.

They public health officials now, finally, seem to be getting their act together - after their failures resulted in someone with Ebola flying at least once, possibly twice. Their new guidelines mirror almost exactly what I have been saying should have been the protocol from the day Nurse Pham was diagnosed with Ebola and the inadequate prior protocols become public knowledge.

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Have you touched an Ebola Patient�s Puke, Sweat, Sh*t, or Blood? If Not, You Don�t Have Ebola. [View all] riqster Oct 2014 OP

Or sweat. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #1

I'll add that. riqster Oct 2014 #4

what about tears? hfojvt Oct 2014 #92

And tears grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #97

Interesting article: riqster Oct 2014 #112

while that may be true, the virus can live cali Oct 2014 #2

The period of time and quantity are open questions, so I left that out. riqster Oct 2014 #3

The CDC hasn't been great on Ebola. cali Oct 2014 #5

Their understanding of the virus seems in line with other agencies. riqster Oct 2014 #6

no, it is not entirely in line with other agencies and experts. cali Oct 2014 #7

Protocols, yes. Policies, yes. Procedures, yes. riqster Oct 2014 #10

The CDC says it can be caught through sneezing and coughing, if an Ebola patient is close enough pnwmom Oct 2014 #24

That is direct contact with bodily fluids. riqster Oct 2014 #29

this is from the public health agency of Canada... HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #9

Very interesting! Thanks. riqster Oct 2014 #21

immune? Sivart Oct 2014 #8

yes, some people appear to be immune to ebola. Just read an article cali Oct 2014 #11

So far, no proof of it. Not enough cases. riqster Oct 2014 #13

Pajamas can give immunity? (grin) moriah Oct 2014 #38

That ducking autocorrect! riqster Oct 2014 #39

Irrational fear and finger pointing is how us Americans deal with crises. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #12

It's also how we are manipulated. The Propaganda of Panic. riqster Oct 2014 #14

I've also read a bit about it. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #15

Actually, the opposite of your last paragraph is true. riqster Oct 2014 #16

Great, so we can rule out Mosquito's as a method of transmission Savannahmann Oct 2014 #17

As an engineer myself, I respond to evidence and facts. riqster Oct 2014 #19

Sneezes and coughs carry bodily fluids in the form of spit and mucous. pnwmom Oct 2014 #23

That's what I'm talking about. Thanks. Citations. riqster Oct 2014 #43

Strange how liberals who profess to love science abandon it instantly at the crack of the whip of Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #72

Dengue is mosquito-borne.. People EAT bats SoCalDem Oct 2014 #106

I only drive in the "Ebola Free" lane on the highways now. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #18

Dang, I thought "HOV" meant "High Occupancy Vehicle". riqster Oct 2014 #20

You left out spit and mucous from the nose, both of which could land on surfaces pnwmom Oct 2014 #22

Edited the OP. Thanks. riqster Oct 2014 #32

Tell that to the NBC camera man who was infected. former9thward Oct 2014 #25

And exactly how was that person infected? riqster Oct 2014 #30

He says not. former9thward Oct 2014 #31

Ummhmmm. "Some people". Yup. riqster Oct 2014 #33

Hey - "some people say" is enough to run an entire news network on. trotsky Oct 2014 #35

It's right up there with "I know a guy". riqster Oct 2014 #37

Yeah, like the CDC Director sitting in his comfortable office in Atlanta former9thward Oct 2014 #56

Exactly. We need facts. riqster Oct 2014 #58

Off to Ignore for you! valerief Oct 2014 #26

Poor me. riqster Oct 2014 #44

LOL, add me too if that offended you. nt Logical Oct 2014 #49

Let's start an organization: I. O. I. D. riqster Oct 2014 #50

Or, have been within three feet of someone with it... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #27

Point, although remember symptoms and transmission. riqster Oct 2014 #36

Or, they could cough, sneeze, wipe vomit from their mouth, wipe poorly, etc. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #40

Again, possible. But it is still contact with bodily fluids. If I see puke on a doorknob, do I grab? riqster Oct 2014 #41

It takes as few as 10 virions to successfully infect someone with Ebola. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #46

From all I have been able to find, the virus has to be in suspension. riqster Oct 2014 #47

Let's increase the volume then: One drop. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #65

This is different from other diseases, how? riqster Oct 2014 #69

A few ways... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #73

I don't think anyone deathly ill with Ebola is going to be taking a subway any time soon. hedgehog Oct 2014 #71

Amber Vinson took a plane from Ohio to Texas while infected and feverish. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #74

A mild fever is something a lot of people go to work with - hedgehog Oct 2014 #75

Ebola has been bouncing around in West Africa almost a year now - hedgehog Oct 2014 #28

Poverty is a huge factor. And local customs. riqster Oct 2014 #34

And where burial rituals involve direct contact with the deceased... trotsky Oct 2014 #42

Again, proof that while it is contagious and deadly, it's not that easy to contract Ebola. hedgehog Oct 2014 #45

Not in America, at least. riqster Oct 2014 #48

this Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #51

Our infrastructure is poorly equipped for Ebola. riqster Oct 2014 #52

but Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #53

No, the health care workers treated him. riqster Oct 2014 #54

I've read it and I disagree with your premise and your source Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #55

Nor should it be sensationalized. riqster Oct 2014 #57

here's an authoritative source Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #59

There is something from the same source in the OP. riqster Oct 2014 #60

Wrong absolutely Wrong Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #62

Reston is the airborne version that kills monkeys but does not create illness in humans Marrah_G Oct 2014 #94

Yes. This! If ebola was easy to contract elias49 Oct 2014 #79

Indeed. All the people who are dead from Ebola deserve to be alive. riqster Oct 2014 #80

I was referring to the general public. Health care workers here and in Africa hedgehog Oct 2014 #61

Quite true. The same precautions we take against other bugs serve us well. riqster Oct 2014 #63

Wrong Again Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #64

The problem with that premise is that you don't know. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #66

Hear Hear, sanity prevails Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #67

Link please. riqster Oct 2014 #68

I've posted links (as have many others) in multiple threads already. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #70

So, she may have felt this, and somebody told somebody that. riqster Oct 2014 #77

Anyone trained in medicine, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #78

Most of the emotional cost has been inflicted by the panic fetishests. riqster Oct 2014 #81

It is not hysterical nonsense Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #82

"Exposed" is the key here. riqster Oct 2014 #83

When did I define it that way? Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #85

One example of hysteria was treating the wedding dress she tried on as a possible Ebola source. riqster Oct 2014 #86

If she was sweating while she tried it on, for at least a short time it is a possible Ebola source. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #87

I trust the epidemiology teams on the ground. riqster Oct 2014 #88

I call BS on your whole premise and agument Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #93

You have debunked nothing. Your links did not disprove my thesis. riqster Oct 2014 #95

Ding Ding we have a winner. Eugene Stoner Oct 2014 #96

Really? Contained like two new infections Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #98

There is a huge difference between clinical care and the general environment. riqster Oct 2014 #99

There is a difference, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #100

Hysteria is hysteria. And that is what you are peddling. riqster Oct 2014 #101

Try again. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #102

Look up "confirmation bias" in a dictionary. riqster Oct 2014 #103

You asked me to provide a single case, and stated flat out that there were none. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #104

Bullshit. Bodily fluid contact is NOT absent per your sources. riqster Oct 2014 #109

Tell it to the researchers who reported it in the peer reviewed article. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #114

Read the facts: riqster Oct 2014 #111

I prefer peer reviewed articles. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #113

A few years ago I flew on a commercial airline... ljm2002 Oct 2014 #76

Another way of putting it: riqster Oct 2014 #84

I'm not afraid of getting ebola librechik Oct 2014 #89

Very true. Our "system" is the worst in the developed world. riqster Oct 2014 #90

The Rude Pundit on the subject: riqster Oct 2014 #91

I watched the movie Out of Africa, I feel a fever coming on. kairos12 Oct 2014 #105

Quick! What is your address? We need to quarantine you! Alert the media! riqster Oct 2014 #107

Ted Cruz with his fear promoting remarks on Ebola slanders Africa-he is the Lying King. kairos12 Oct 2014 #108

He has forgotten who he is. riqster Oct 2014 #110